Part time and teacher training days

[lurkinginthenorth]

I'm going part time after maternity leave. I haven't received my contract yet but am wondering how many teacher training days I HAVE to do for a three day week.
My days are Wednesday, Thursday and Friday so stupidly I have to go in on my days off which means over a year, I'll work more days than my partner teacher who works Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Can anyone enlighten me as to how this all works????

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So, basically, my school cannot 'MAKE' me attend training days if they fall on my days off - Monday and Tuesday?????

Just need it clarifying in everyday language!

Unless I have a holiday booked and it falls into early Monday/Tuesday for flights back, I would attend anyways!

It would only affect us at Easter time or Feb/May half terms and it is only beginning of a term in which we generally have our TT days so 'technically' would probably only miss one!

I've been in for inset days on my 'days off' and it's actually cost me money as I've had to pay for extra childcare

No, they cannot expect you to come in on any day you are not contracted to work.

Wandering - at my school you would have been paid supply rates for those days.

BUT what if my contract simply states 0.6 and not the actual days despite my normal working days being a Wednesday, Thursday and a Friday?

If school fought it, could I argue that my normal days of duties are these three days despite it not being in writing in my contract (which i have not received yet) and working any other day is not permitted?

I think you're covered by the burgundy book - you are not normally required for work on a Monday or Tuesday.

Fat chance of that at my school Brian!

I had this dilemma last year. I worked FT but across two schools so on the days where the INSET day fell on my non working day at school A I was working in school B. I couldn't drop everything in B to attend A INSET despite being told I had to go to the INSET (I didn't as I had already done my 3 as part of my 0.6) and headteacher at B called head at A to say they wouldn't release me anyway!

Hope that makes sense!

If it falls on a day you normally work, then you attend.
If it falls on a day you don't normally work, then you can not be made to attend.

What would normally happen with me is that the HT would either let me swap a day (I was doing a job 3 days a week, not a class share, so no-one was needed to cover me) or would pay me to come in (a if I were a supply teacher doing a day's work) if they felt it was something I needed to be in for - my choice on each occasion - if the training was something I needed to do.

Also remember you will be due something back as you don't benefit from any Monday holidays, so there will be some arrangement for that (time off or extra pay). I can't be made to work on a day I don't work, with the exception of a proportion of in service days which I am contracted to do (Scotland).

Full time teachers don't benefit from Monday holidays either (unless there's a surprise one). They have to work 195 days so a bank holiday simply shifts that day elsewhere.

I get paid back 0.8 of bank holidays, which is almost 4 days to take this year.

But why? Bank holidays usually fall in the holidays? Isn't it just the May Day bank holiday which doesn't?

Well maybe they are local rather than bank? One in September, two in May, Good Friday..
Similar to your comment if I worked all my days as timetabled, I would have done more than .8 of the total daily amount for the year.

Hmm, this is interesting. We have a fair number of part-timers who make damn sure they're contracted to work the first half of the week as there are more Mondays "off" but still only come in to two (or whatever their pro-rata is) Insets each year, not turning up to others, even if it would ordinarily be a working day. This always pisses me off, as I work Tues-Fri and go to all of them, as a matter of course. Maybe I should get arsey and stop?

Clam, working your contact is not arsey.

You don't need to get arsey, just go to those on your working days. Nothing arsey about working what you're supposed to work.

According to this thread, I'm not "supposed" to work all five. But over the years, when I've worked 2.5 days a week, through to three and now four, I have always been to every single one. I have no issue with doing that, as I find it useful. What hacks me off is other people not doing what they are contracted to do.
Yes, you could argue that it's none of my business, but actually, there have been many times when we've been directed to produce, say, schemes and projects as groups, and could have done with sharing that out a bit with other colleagues who haven't turned up. It's mildly irritating, that's all.

Well the best way to bring that to management's notice is by not coming in yourself. Do you think they even realise what they should do, if you didn't know also?

Actually Clam, you've said these people are doing their pro rata, so what is the complaint?

But people on here are suggesting that if you would ordinarily work that (Inset) day anyway, you should attend. But in my scenario, there are people who always work Mondays, say, but with a contract of 2 days a week, there are three days a year they don't turn up on those Monday Insets and have a day off. Is that as it should be?
There seems to be a fair bit of confusion all-round as to what the procedure is. That "burgundy book" reference back there seemed to suggest that you cannot be "required" to work on a day that is not your usual day. Yet others are saying you should do pro-rata, regardless of your normal routine.

I see. In the Scottish area I work in it is the pro rata arrangement for inservice days (not meetings etc). HR would be able to advise you on which system you are operating within. It certainly is confusing.

INSET are separate to teaching days and should be worked pro-rata.

The burgundy book suggests that you can't be required to do INSET if it falls on a non-working day. However, you are paid to do pro-rata INSET so not working your allocation has pay implications.