Gove's at it again

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www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Education/article1355695.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_12_21

Things like this always get announced on day 2 of the holidays when people think teachers are doing pish all!

Shocking journalism though; does Sian Griffiths really think teachers 'enjoy short working days'? I am in my classroom from 7.45 until 6pm. That's longer 'working' hours than my 'city boy' husband does (though not the 1.5 hour commute) and I work in the evenings and he doesn't!?

Nor can children.

It's not a who works hardest competition,but hours cane up op onwards
Are you seriously saying only teachers can comment on a proposal affecting parents
If you want exclusivity of talking to peers im sure there are teaching forums.mn isn't one

scottishmummy always pops up on these threads to say teaching's not really that hard, plenty more have it worse and they should stop moaning.

Going back to the OP though, presumably if teacher hours are increased so will the pay?

Not sure whether this would be taken up with enthusiasm by the independent sector either, would boarders want to be in school 51 weeks per year?

Stop telling lies to embellish your post,go find on this post where I said stop moaning
Cut and paste it,nice a pond bold go on find where I said stop moaning
Otherwise stop making things up

scottishmummy Mon 23-Dec-13 10:32:19
There's a thread at mo,teachers agreeing the 7wk hols and bh are great perks
Teachers habitually moan,they have great t&c

Haha you're well fast,I said that.i will apologise for saying you got it wrong
Anyways, I'd love longer terms

Always interesting though isn't it, that if teaching is such a desirable profession why those people slagging off teachers discussing their jobs don't do it. Surely if it is such good holidays, hours, pay and respect then they would be choosing to teach? There are plenty of vacancies after all, all around the country...

I don't want to be a teacher,simple as that.its a great vocational career with fab t&c
My kids have great teachers,they're v fortunate.
I opine on many things doesn't mean I need to do the job to have temerity to comment

I do think the terms and conditions of teaching are attractive. I don't have a great calling to teach. I want long holidays and the ability to leave the office once a week at 4pm. I want my workload to work around my children and teaching offered that, so it was well worth the paycut.

Teaching,will always elicit responses because we send our kids to school 5yo P1 til they are 17
That's a significant developmental and educational chunk of time,one doesn't need to be a teacher to comment
I'm not anti-teaching,not true.it's a great vocation with huge impact on parent and children

My DD could not do longer hours or longer terms. She'd be too tired. Her teachers are always available after school if she needs to catch up on a lesson, do revision, etc. They also answer emails in the (so called) holidays.

I don't want the children doing longer hours and I don't want the teachers doing longer hours.

I'd welcome longer terms,longer day no issue as they're at school til 6 daily

For free childcare or because you feel it would be educationally better for them? I haven't seen any research indicating that longer terms is best for children? Only discussion that it makes it easier for working parents...

Bit both if it's on offer,free?i pay handsomely for daily Afterschool
If free hell aye,I'll take that

Was your "longer day no issue as they're at school til 6 daily" they're your DC or the teachers, scottishmummy?

If it is your children you already have the childcare you need, so no problem, If it is teachers there is a problem (which shows how little you know about what goes on inside a school). I, like most teachers who are in school until 6pm are doing work to prepare for the next day/week, update paperwork, etc. We can't do this and teach (or even childmind) so that three hours of work will have to be done once the DC leave at 6pm. I can't even pop to the toilet without someone covering my class (no easy feat in a small school with no spare staff to do it), but that is my duty of care to ensure all the children are safe. If I am childminding until 6pm I can't photocopy, laminate, phone another professional or parent, I can't do anything except ensure your children are safe and educated occupied.

You lost me at laminating.what's your point?

To be fair ScottishMummy has said that it need not be teachers doing the childminding after school. However I think she wants us to provide longer terms - which I am not prepared to do. I may not be representative as I am in teaching to make my life easier not as an act of service to others .

Her point is that if we are babysitting your children then we can't be preparing our lessons and marking. However I don't think you want us to work longer hours, just more days.

I did say if it's only Afterschool no a qt Not required,classes yes you'd need qt
How will it work,I haven't a clue.thats for gove and la to figure
He's not fleshed this out has he?imo He's looking to initiate some flashpoint with teachers unions

I can't link as I'm on my phone, but you can google the stats for yourself. But according to official govt research with holidays taken into account teachers work an average of 48.3 hours a week.

According to the same research, the average for other professions are:

Solicitors 38.5
IT engineers 39.0
Accountants 35.6
Managers in mining / energy industries 49.6

That's not me, that's the official stats.

If I have to work 51 weeks a year, I'm also leaving teaching. Simply because if I don't, I'll work myself into an early grave.

The way I see it, there are only so many hours a week. I am allocated 3 hours a week to plan, prepare and mark for 14 different lessons a week.
Now, if they increase the hours worked a week, not only would they have to pay me for that, but I would not be able to put in the extra I do after work (as I would now be teaching in that time). If I was teaching until 5/ 6pm every day, that would reduce the planning time I had available to me... If I had 3 hours to plan and produce me lessons, that would give me 12 minutes to prep every lesson, and that does not include marking. So, who would be happy with their children's work marked just once a month, if that...?

Or are we going find the extra money to pay teachers to do this, and cut down on the contact time teachers have...?