Gove's at it again

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www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Education/article1355695.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_12_21

Things like this always get announced on day 2 of the holidays when people think teachers are doing pish all!

Shocking journalism though; does Sian Griffiths really think teachers 'enjoy short working days'? I am in my classroom from 7.45 until 6pm. That's longer 'working' hours than my 'city boy' husband does (though not the 1.5 hour commute) and I work in the evenings and he doesn't!?

I assume they will need to backtrack on the whole term time holiday thing as well then.

Oh and change the way universities and external training ourses work for leavers, etc.

Gove for Prime Minister then he can wreck the whole country not just children but I think that is his aim!

mums who assert simply can't work because she's got to be there for the kids
They'll not like it,they can't say the punishing schedule drop off/collection prohibits working
See it mn a lot,apparent need to be available to pick up,ferry to,kumon,and activities

I will leave the country if that man is pm.

Or march on downing street and evict him forcibly.

It would cost a fortune. You're looking at increasing school running costs for another third of the year

Ergo it will never happen. All just hot air

I think some mums will naturally oppose longer school day,as they use current short day as reason to not work

current short days as an excuse not to work

Yes, perish the thought that some lazy mums might actually enjoy spending time with their children rather than at work.

I know what I wrote,no particular need to copy it with accompanying face
That added nothing

I work so I don't oppose long school days for that reason.
I actually work in a school anyway - but again, that isn't why I don't want DD doing even longer days.She already does enough each day.

Why do we want our children stuck in school for hours on end when they could be doing more varied stuff with different people outside of school as well?

Some woman chose to be financially dependent on partner,they're usually also vociferoous in wanting short terms/days at school

I'm expressing my at your comment.

That's pretty cynical and not a reason to increase school days.

Scottishmummy, I stopped working full time when I had children, so the reason I don't work full time is because I have children. However I didn't have children in order to not work, my family chose the option that we felt would be most beneficial to all the members of our family.

Gee give really mastered this online conversation thing,faces too
Care to elaborate on cynical,or is the face sufficient to show your disapproval

scottishmummy it's always delightful to have your wisdom.

Some of us choose to have children because We wanted to bring them up yourself in Partnership with our husbands. Not farm them out like parcels to CMs and after school clubs.

As any of the teachers on this thread will tell you there is a he'll of a lot more to life than money and financial independence. If the bottom line was cold hard cash, no one would teach!

Starballbunny I am a working mother and my children are not farmed out and I do raise then thank you .

My personal working hours ...

Old career: Drop DCs at school at 8.40, drove to work. Office 9.15 to 5.30. Drive back. Collect DCs from after school club on the dot of 5.59 before they closed at 6. No work in evenings or at weekends. 28 days hol, plus extra earned for service.

Retrained as a primary teacher:
DCs still at home with DH when I leave for school at 7.55. Walk to work. In classroom for 8. Have pupils 8.40 to 3.10. Marking & prepping, meetings, deal w parents etc until 5.55... sprint to afterschool club to collect DC on the dot of 5.59. After DCs bedtime, anything from 30 mins to 3 hours working. Most of Sunday working. 13 weeks 'hol', of which I spend roughly 1/3 doing some form of work, including being in school for at least one day changing displays, doing copying, etc.

I love teaching. I adore the lightbulb moment when they 'get it'.

I could do an even better job if I wasn't so bloody knackered.

Don't forget the suggestion of school's arranging sleepovers on their premises and state boarding schools, Starballbunny! Yet another bonkers idea to add to the pile.

I was having this debate with my childless friends last night and we talked about me choosing to have children and at that time knowing I need to provide care for them outside school hours - I totally agree.
They also discussed the funding implications for the taxpayer of parents expecting the government to provide the wraparound care I have for my children and the fairness of expecting everyone (including the childless) to have a bigger tax bill so I have free childcare 7am - 6pm to enable me to work - couldn't disagree with them.

bingo! farm them out we pay good money to whey faced reprobates to farm the kids out

Are you perchance going to ask why I had kids if I leave them with strangers all day
You see I love working,love my career and I don't want to be financially beholden to a man

Philo I don't want to start a gunfight, Scottishnummy has previous for being very judgemental. She doesn't seem to accept that some of us love and trust our husbands and don't give a fuck where the money comes from.

bunfight (stupid Kindle)

I very much give a fuck where the money comes from,that's why I earn my own

If you don't want to start a bunfight don't start posting about working mothers farming their children out and how you have chosen to raise your own children - the implication that mine are running feral.