Palace PR strategy in the wake of AMW-Epstein scandal

[Asmuchastheypossiblycan]

I’ve just seen who I think was a Sky news reporter, reporting on the King’s visit to the Colchester area today, laying out what is obviously the current BP PR strategy in the light of reason developments in the AMW-Epstein scandal.

She said that the Palace wanted it to be made very clear that the RF are very much not ignoring this story and wanting it to go away, and referred her back to Edward’s words about the victims earlier in the week.

But that their policy nonetheless was going to be carry on with their engagements as usual, as they have faced difficulties before, and will do so again.

I’ve no doubt that this is difficult for KC and family but AIBU to think that in the light of what has happened, and the covering up of ALW’s financial and sexual wrongdoings, this isn’t really good enough?

Surely it’s not right that AMW is above the law?

Also, a man in the crowd shouted out a question to KC about whether AMW would be investigated, and two policeman moved him away!

Last time I looked, I thought we lived in a democracy which welcomes free speech?

Why aren’t reporters and members of the public allowed to air their views on this situation and express that AMW should be investigated?

Otherwise isn’t the Palace PR strategy in reality advocating “one rule for them and a different one for us?”

W is saying what he was advised to say, and I have my doubts that the statement was voluntary, more in response to events and firebreaking. He has people to tell him what to do. He doesn't impress me much as the future King either. To the manor born.

On the MN Reddit sub group they believe you are working in a high level role for the RF, you are too knowledgeable and too articulate. Are you ?🤔🤔

That poster has attempted to delete and destroy her previous posts and comments!
they also went on “royalty tea” and were attacked and the mods deleted the post, apparently they are now working for greggs .🤷‍♀️

I agree and with the previous posters who made similar points

Where was Williams ‘concern’ when Andrew was poncing about with the rest of them in his Garter curtains ? Or when William took part in the image rehabilitation of Andrew ?
Why did he do that ? They knew all about Epstein’s links to the Windsors . They did it because they thought they could pull the wool over our eyes as they have done for generations

Stop with the weak statements that say nothing you hypocritical creeps

100% this!

William only saying something now as more shit is about to hit the fan. It is all meaningless words trying to make out they care. All they are concerned about is the monarchy continuing for them and their children.

I find this view really interesting. I agree, that the institution of monarchy, the 'crown' is probably the highest priority of many members of the family. To the exclusion of all else, family, friends, etc. I can see that they would view certain 'sacrifices' worth while to protect the crown at all costs. I wonder to what extent that is because the members of the family are deeply intrenched in a family that is cult like. That it would be exceedingly hard to reject those views because of the cult they are in.

Yep..my thoughts exactly. They only care about themselves and I doubt they give two shits about the victims. They think as plebs are stupid. It's about time the monarchy was abolished.

I am not sure there is any evidence of this. Believing that saving the crown is more important than the lives of individuals does not equate to only caring about themselves and to giving two shits about the victims. You can care about the victims on a personal level while still believing the crown is more important that the individual. (especially if indoctrinated into a cult of the crown and surrounded but history and people telling you that). I also don't think that their comments equate to thinking us plebs are stupid. But more, completely misunderstanding what us plebs think.

Before I get called an apologist, I am not trying to excuse wrong behavior, but trying to understand it. If they think the victims are worth sacrificing to save the crown they are wrong. If they think AMW behavior is acceptable they are wrong. The people with the power in the institution, whoever 'they' may be should be assisting in any way they can to get AMW brought to justice AND all the other men and women who were abusing girls alongside him, or aiding Epstein to supply those girls for abuse.

StillHereLol & Ihateboris

You may well be right!

I really think we should be moving to a republic over a decent period of time and looking to have an elected head of state who really is “of the people and for the people”.

I think the monarchy have failed to police themselves well, failed to be accountable and transparent, and there is far too much confusion between private and public funding. There could be far more financial clarity with an elected H of S.

But the history student in me is just a tiny bit interested to see if William, firstly, realises the need for change, and second, can implement it.

His interview with Eugene Levy seems to suggest that he was not going to go far enough with the latter.

Also, there are many question marks over his decision not to be open about tax etc.

Also, his lifestyle does not give him credibility points when he is supporting eco and homelessness charities. PR can only do so much! I think the biggest lesson they need to take from all of this is to learn that there is no better PR than actually walking the walk.

William is a climate hypocrite who is using his ‘charity’ as greenwashing

William is a homelessness hypocrite using pr photos with unhoused individuals to deflect from his untaxed Duchy profits and multiple mansions.

We heard the same from Charles - remember how we were told Charles would modernise once Elizabeth was gone ? What exactly has he done ?

I want to thank those brave individuals who are asking questions of the Windsors when they appear in public.
It seems we have to take this into our own hands .What are we supposed to do as we watch the Windsors protect Andrew , MPs are doing nothing .
More of this challenging please

Those are all very good points Ukisgaslit

You forget how long they must have known about AMW’s activities.

If I was one of the victims I think I would probably feel it was very disrespectful to hear that they are only “deeply concerned” now.

How did William take part in AMW’s attempted rehab btw?

When will we see at least one MP who has the guts to question the ‘no debates about the ‘royals’???

this is yet another problem with the ‘royals’ - there is such a deeply entrenched ‘service’ element around honours that no fucker will question them for fear of getting blacklisted and therefore killing their own golden goose.

Lindsay Hoyle appears to have given the go ahead for discussion in parliament?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/national/25565664.mps-calling-conduct-prince-andrew-discussed-parliament---speaker/

@Asmuchastheypossiblycan

A couple of years ago there were attempts to have the royals be photographed walking to church with Andrew , William drove to church with Andrew beside him and Kate grinning in the back.
Epstein was convicted of child solicitation in 2008 . They all known for years .

No doubt an ‘aide’ said - take photos near churches , send the sorrowful sinner message - I saw the royalists on here try the same message.
You don’t need multiple photo ops to prove genuine contrition - you help the police and take your punishment.
No the photos were to help the Windsors image
It failed . And the ‘messages of concern ‘ are failing too

Ha!! So not! You made me look though and one poster wondered if I was Princess Anne 😂😂😀 That is genuinely hilarious!

(Reddit used think I was a mod for Mumsnet, but not guilty there either)

Sure most are aware already , however sharing this press release from last week from Republic

Surely there is one person in the DOJ that will release the unredacted files, with all the men's names revealed?

I would not be surprised if Epstein gave kickbacks (money/sex/both) for economically [useful...edit] information.

As for the RF saying their thoughts are first and foremost with the victims..... their first and foremost thought is probably how to lock Andrew and Fergie in the Tower of London

https://www.republic.org.uk/buckingham_palace_protest_as_royals_maintain_silence_over_epstein

Yes KC3 only seems to make changes in response to heckling which tells you something about his court! Too much deference and not enough straight talking!

Lownie also said that MPs were reluctant to consider the matter of AMW leaving Windsor until they received lots of e-mails from constituents, so it’s worth everyone plugging away,

Thanks @Asmuchastheypossiblycan I obviously missed that. However, that was back in Oct and it hasn’t happened yet, as far as I’m aware?

I actually meant about MPs debating the royal family in its entirety.

100% agree

Yes I agree with you… I think the subject is starting to be discussed but far more bravery and openness required!

And as pp said, far less hankering after gongs.

It’s got to the point where the RF’s unchallenged influence and secrecy is anti-democratic.

I did a wee search to log progress made so far but probably the prompts could have been better…

• Sir Ed Davey (Liberal Democrat Leader): Called for Prince Andrew to be "hauled in front of MPs" to give evidence regarding his lease of the Royal Lodge.
• Lisa Smart (Lib Dem Cabinet Office spokesperson): Stated that "transparency is vital when it comes to how taxpayers' money is spent" and argued the government should make time for debates on Prince Andrew's financial dealings.
• Lord George Foulkes (Labour Peer):Has campaigned for the rules banning the royal family from being scrutinized in Parliament to be changed, and has requested a public register of royal interests.
• Norman Baker (Former Liberal Democrat MP): Has been a prominent voice calling for a spotlight on the true costs of the monarchy, highlighting tax exemptions and the financial dealings of the King and Prince William.
• Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Conservative MP/Committee Chairman): Expressed concern over whether the lease arrangements for Royal Lodge are "achieving the best value for money".

Sorry to quote my own post but it’s
Rachael Maskell, the Labour MP for York Central, who has called for
AMW to testify, as has Keir Starmer now of course. She has stated that no one should be above the law.

I couldn’t remember her name previously, and was searching for Nicola someone for some reason!

You talk absolute sense, @serenster but some people prefer to rely on their emotions rather than clear facts. It's a bit depressing, and I hope none of them ever end up on a jury.

Greggs?!?

I read that AMA and had questions as to the authenticity of that Reddit poster.
I’d be interested to know what evidence they provided to back up their claim to have be an employee of the BRF.

No idea 🤷‍♀️, I read it and the timelines were a tad out , however nobody should believe everything they see from random people on Reddit!

Such a very condescending post!

I’m sure many of us have served on juries and done our duty conscientiously and well thanks very much.

When you think of the victims, and the appalling consequences of AMW’s actions on vulnerable women, and how he has got away with this behaviour for so long, not to mention dodgy financial deals that benefited himself and his family, and endangered national security, while acting as a publically funded TE, and how he has been protected by the RF for so long, don’t you think a little emotion and outrage is actually a rational response?

Anger can be a good thing when it effects change.

And I’d like to know what facts contained in ‘Entitled’ are disputed please?

The more information revealed in the Epstein files, the more facts in Lownie’s book appear to be validated.