Should Prince Harry get state funded security ?

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Okay, why does he want State funded security. Let’s speaks with cited facts only… and not emotion.

Prince Harry has stated clearly and in writing that he will pay for the security out of pocket.

Sources:

-Reuters-

Reuters confirmed Harry’s offer and the government’s refusal:

“Prince Harry said he had offered to personally pay for police protection for himself and his family during visits to Britain, but the UK government rejected the offer.”

-BBC-

The BBC reported that Harry’s legal team argued the refusal was procedural, not security-based:

“The Duke of Sussex offered to fund the security himself, but this was rejected because police protection cannot be paid for privately.”

-The Guardian-

The Guardian adds context that this was raised during court proceedings, not after the fact:

“Prince Harry’s lawyers said he was willing to pay for protection but was blocked by policy, not assessed threat.”

Okay so if he’s willing to pay out of pocket why won’t his own security work?

Heres why:

When Prince Harry stepped back from royal duties, the UK government… via the Home Office… removed his automatic, state-funded police protection.

That decision was made by a committee called RAVEC (Royal and VIP Executive Committee), which assesses security risk.

Harry’s argument is:

“My role changed, but my threat level didn’t.”

And on that point, he’s not wrong.

Okay, so where’s what he’s actually asking for:

He has been very explicit that he is willing to pay for security.

What the UK government refuses to allow is:

Access to armed, intelligence-briefed Metropolitan Police protection
Even on a paid basis

So why does this matter?

Private security cannot legally carry firearms in the UK
Private guards do not receive intelligence briefings
They cannot coordinate with UK counterterror or local police in real time

So this is not about luxury, it’s about safety.

Okay now. Why does harry believe there’s still a risk?:

There are several concrete factors:

He is still one of the most globally recognized people alive
His mother, Princess Diana, was killed following paparazzi pursuit
He and Meghan have received documented threats, including extremist rhetoric
His military service (Afghanistan) placed him on known threat lists
His children are high-value symbolic targets, regardless of titles

None of this evaporated because he moved to California.

Okay now because you can’t have a argument without both sides of the story lets talk about why the UK government has refused:

The official stance is:

Police protection is tied to official royal duties
Allowing people to “buy” police services could set a precedent
Security decisions must remain under state control, not personal request

This is a policy argument… not a safety argument.

So why is Harry fighting this so publically?:

Harry believes removing protection discourages others from leaving. That signals “Step outside the institution, and you’re on your own.” And it indirectly pressures him to return or stay silent.

so those are the facts. How do you feel about it?

also, if there a fact I’ve stated that you wanted cited, politely asking will do just fine.

Unnecessarily nasty comment. I doubt she would have chosen to get in a car if she had known the chauffeur was drunk. And I doubt she would have dumped her UK police protection had she not been deceived by Bashir.

Doesn’t matter how much Harry appears in the papers, irrelevant. Lots of celebrities are high profile should they all get round the clock tax payer funded security? Princess Anne and the Duke of Edinburgh represent the King, our government and our country at home and abroad and they only get security whilst on duty, as it should be.

He just wants to be able to say 'I'm coming tomorrow, sort it out', and this side is saying 'er no, we need to check what twatty things you've been up to recently in order to assess whether you need one man and a labrador, or a full squadron of rozzers with guns. And that will take 28 days'.

And he doesn't like that. Oh dear, how sad, what a shame.

Oh I think she would.

Which proves it can and does happen.

Besides, the kidnapping took place when Anne was higher profile than she is now.

As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care if Prince Harry never comes here again. He reckoned he wanted privacy: he took himself off abroad - no problem, Harry, now just stay there. We don’t need to see you and your family: you have made it very plain the low esteem in which you hold your family and her late Majesty, and I for one find it difficult to get over the Oprah interview at a time when his grandfather was so ill. If it’s so dangerous for you to come here, Harry, just don’t bother. I am an ardent royalist, and used to think well of Harry, but he’s brought public opprobrium on himself, and I for one begrudge spending any public money on him.

Harry’s claim isn’t:

“I deserve protection because I know secrets.”

It is:

“I remain a high-profile symbolic target, with documented threats, and private security cannot legally mitigate that risk in the UK.”

Those are two different threat models:

• PMs equals state risk
• Harry equals personal / symbolic / extremist risk

Nor was mine.

Harry doesn't currently have any public money spent on him unlike the millions spent every year on the rest of his family, he has offered to pay for armed protection in this country and considering the amount of death threats him and his wife have received... Andrew gets tax payer funding...

Yes, if anyone is going to be assassinated, found dead in his bed or at the bottom of a cliff it will be Andrew, and he’s been left to his own devices. I bet Andrew wishes he only had to worry about a member of his squad following him around wanting a selfie.

Has he paid back the estimated 1.5M court costs yet?

I agree @sesquipedalian. He didn’t like the “ job” so flounced off but expected to keep the perks and has had a 6 year tantrum since then .
I am sure his father misses him but I am equally sure most other family members aren’t bothered if they see him . The only one I am aware of who has visited Montecito is Eugenie .
Why he is ( allegedly ) so desperate to reconcile with his racist family who made his wife suicidal is beyond me.

Every time Harry sets foot in the U.K. he costs the taxpayer money as he always has some form of security .
What about his numerous court cases ? They cost money .

I don't know why my post is hidden at the moment, I just posted a link to the ring doorbell footage.

Prince Harry caught on camera knocking WRONG DOOR as he searched for pal after saying he felt unsafe in UK without cops https://share.google/dAzU4VgRn2SklhEmf

Yes he does, who do you think is paying for his numerous court cases? His security when he pops over? You have absolutely no idea on his threat level unless you are a member of the British Security Services which is pretty clear you are not. You cannot buy our police force, how many times does this have to be repeated?

I was wondering what you'd posted!

Oh and Andrew has had no tax payer funding since 2019 since he stepped down from being a working royal.

The 28 days notice = no risk

If he can give notice, security is solved.

But Harry’s legal argument is precisely that:

• Even with notice, private security cannot access:
• firearms
• real-time intelligence
• counterterror coordination

Just plan better is really simplifying the core issue he’s arguing.

As for Princess Anne. You are correct. However an attempt in 1970 doesn’t automatically determine present risk, current threat intelligence does. At its that intel that Prince Harry is after. But lets do a side by side comparison:

Princess Anne:

• lives primarily out of public view
• follows predictable, controlled routines
• does not generate constant global media cycles
• is not the subject of absolutely intense online hate.

Harry:

• is one of the most recognisable men on earth
• married into global celebrity culture
• is polarising in a way Anne never was
• has children who amplify symbolic value
• has documented online extremist rhetoric attached to his name

Threat models account for visibility + volatility.

And the view of the statue of a stag in the courtyard.
'Taint fair !
How can anyone suffer so much ill treatment from his youth up...

If he buys police protection, that's a lot of police who aren't doing their actual job. We don't have enough of them to waste on vanity trips for a spoiled man.

It hasn’t been reported that he has so I doubt it and that’s just one case….. he must be costing us millions.

I find your statement very interesting. Why would they need to choose between and inherited right and the safety due to them? Also he hasn’t asked for 24/7 security.

Maybe his bald patch was showing?(wink)

This is where I stand as well. And I think that irregardless of your opinion on them, there's been some absolutely disgusting racist abuse and vitriol directed at his wife (at least in part) stirred up on purpose by our media which will naturally create concern for his children as well ( if you ask me this was allowed to run riot because it conveniently timed with Andrews behaviour being made public and personally I do think that was intentional redirection and may have been shut down faster if the timelines had been different but that's just my take).

I think if you cannot feasibly allow for him to hire private security then this is the alternative. But the idea of him travelling etc alone or with his family unprotected seems like a bit of a weak link for the royal family and i don't think someone should be beholden to their toxic family simply to stay safe when they're in the country they grew up in. I can fully see why he's fighting for it and you couldn't pay me to be reborn into the royal family.

I am on the fence. In some ways I think he does require some protection, and we provide it for ex prime ministers. But if he keep insisting on keeping the limelight, doing tv shows, official Xmas cards etc, and constantly raising their profiles then perhaps he should fund it. They could have been well under the radar by now if they’d wanted to be, and lived a quiet life.