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How do you think QEII would have handled the situation with AMW if she was still alive and reigning? (title edited my MNHQ at request of the OP)

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SecondSpare · 09/12/2025 09:13

Been reminiscing quite a bit recently about the late Queen. I have been wondering if she would have taken the same actions that King Charles III has taken in relation to the former Prince Andrew, who is now known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.

Do you think she would have acted as decisively in stripping AMW of his royal status and stripping him of his titles? I think it would have been absolutely gut-wrenching for her to do, particularly given the widely-held notion that Andrew was her favourite child.

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CatPawsAreCute · 17/12/2025 11:54

Marsh Farm, which apparently has fallen into disrepair... 🙄

How do you think QEII would have handled the situation with AMW if she was still alive and reigning? (title edited my MNHQ at request of the OP)
simpsonthecat · 17/12/2025 14:24

Yes. every property needs massive renovation it appears. Even Kate and William moving a tennis court cost £60K.

Money is no object when any of them take on a property or move.

I think the 'shoebox' story is where he is going whilst he waits for Marsh Farm to be renovated but I read elsewhere he's staying put at Royal Lodge until it's done.
Who knows.

CatPawsAreCute · 17/12/2025 14:26

Yes. every property needs massive renovation it appears.

Weird that. 🙄😆

simpsonthecat · 17/12/2025 14:32

Interesting.... just read an article from 2015. It said that K&W consider Amner Hall to be their main family home and William was starting a job in Cambridge with East Anglian Air Ambulance.

All change!!!

deeahgwitch · 17/12/2025 14:50

FluentOP · 16/12/2025 19:38

Absolutely shocking that Epstein has never been investigated when a lot of his crimes were carried out here. It just smacks of a big institutional cover up just like Kincora Boys Home and Lord Mountbatten’s involvement. The late Queen was not the sweet old lady that a lot of people think she was.

I agree.
Why has the Kincora Boys Home scandal not been investigated thoroughly and questions answered ? ☹️
Surely there are still great investigative journalists out there, who will push and push.

FluentOP · 17/12/2025 19:05

deeahgwitch · 17/12/2025 14:50

I agree.
Why has the Kincora Boys Home scandal not been investigated thoroughly and questions answered ? ☹️
Surely there are still great investigative journalists out there, who will push and push.

Andrew Lownie has tried to research Mountbatten, see links:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/transactions-of-the-royal-historical-society/article/censoring-our-history/56F67171E79A6E55BA34C72848CBA9F6

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/03/mountbattens-biographer-claims-he-has-been-spied-on-by-the-british-state

Chris Moore has also investigated it, see link:

https://eastsussex.spydus.co.uk/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/ENQ/WPAC/BIBENQ?SETLVL=&BRN=3067970

People in power like to keep their dirty little secrets private. It’s time for more scrutiny into the royal family’s scandals and finances.

Censoring Our History | Transactions of the Royal Historical Society | Cambridge Core

Censoring Our History - Volume 2

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/transactions-of-the-royal-historical-society/article/censoring-our-history/56F67171E79A6E55BA34C72848CBA9F6

Truetoself · 17/12/2025 19:13

She would have done what was best foe the monarchy. How someone stops being a prince is ridiculous. It’s a birthright and not earnt. I wonder how he was stripped of that title

Serpentstooth · 30/12/2025 08:43

She would have continued to do nothing unless absolutely essential. Kept on paying people off if necessary, handed him a few more meaningless titles and would generally have behaved as a monarch who can be neither faulted nor questioned.

HollyhockDays · 30/12/2025 09:03

I don’t think she ever really “got” how serious it was. It was just boys being boys / a bit of fun. I think she was insulated from a lot of stuff despite her role.

HollyhockDays · 30/12/2025 09:05

CatPawsAreCute · 17/12/2025 11:54

Marsh Farm, which apparently has fallen into disrepair... 🙄

That’s silly though like you can’t tell from the exterior what it like inside. It could be damp etc and still look fine outside!

Restlesslimbs54 · 30/12/2025 11:09

simpsonthecat · 30/12/2025 10:50

Yet again, Andrew is being protected by the Government. Because all hell will break loose when it becomes apparent the govt of the day was complicit in all Andrew did.
National archives have taken back Andrew travel arrangements after a 20 year archive.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prince-andrew-mountbatten-windsor-national-archives-b2891483.html

So they are still covering up for him?

And this news emerges on the same day as the NY’s honours list! How very convenient!

FluentOP · 30/12/2025 12:09

Typical royal cover up. Jimmy Saville was also sneaking young frightened girls into the palace for Prince Philip, see attached clip:

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RainbowBagels · 30/12/2025 12:21

FluentOP · 30/12/2025 12:09

Typical royal cover up. Jimmy Saville was also sneaking young frightened girls into the palace for Prince Philip, see attached clip:

Well Palace staff must have let AMW into Sandringham with 2 sex offenders and several young girls for him to be able to be photographed lying across their laps. So they are clearly extremely accommodating.
@simpsonthecat I read that too. I cant work out whether the ' administrative error' was including it on the list in the first place or not including it. I dont think the current government would care about what the government 20 years ago have done. I suspect this is all pressure from The Palace. So yes, still protecting him. I dread to think from what, considering what was in the Epstein files. I think its more likely that it puts TLQ in an extremely poor light. I doubt Charles cares about Andrew as much as he cares about the reputation of his mother, and therefore the Monarchy and the cover ups they are involved in.

ThatCalmFinch · 30/12/2025 22:43

Its outrageous - why on earth hasn't there been an official investigation?

CatPawsAreCute · 31/12/2025 00:23

HollyhockDays · 30/12/2025 09:05

That’s silly though like you can’t tell from the exterior what it like inside. It could be damp etc and still look fine outside!

Every property any of them moves into seems to require renovation beforehand, so I believe my cynicism is well placed.

Needspaceforlego · 31/12/2025 01:27

I think she would have done exactly the same as Charles. Listened to advisors and followed their advice.

I doubt until Glislane was convicted any of the RF realised the girls were trafficked.

Sometimes I wonder did AMW even know 20-25 years ago?
Or did he think they were prostitutes there of their own free will, getting well paid, like Pretty Women, or just 'cheap' girls out for a good time, get drunk, mingle and sleep with the rich and famous ?

25 years ago playboy and bunny girls were a thing. Even catalogues used to sell Playboy duvet covers and stuff. It was different times.

Sexual trafficking wasn't wildly spoken about, or if it was it would more be thought of as women from poor countries. Not rich countries like the US.

tobee · 31/12/2025 02:45

A fudge

simpsonthecat · 31/12/2025 07:08

@Needspaceforlego
I couldn't disagree with you more. You say you don't think the royal family knew anything until Maxwell was charged
What about Epstein and him being convicted in 2008, soliciting and trafficking of a minor ...twelve whole years before Maxwell.
Are you saying our intelligence services are so useless that we would not have known about this?
Even I read about it back then FFS. Particularly because of the sweet heart deal Epstein had been given by the then Attorney General

Every home of Epstein's was awash with very young girls, they were shipped between all his homes. As for your comment about girls from poor countries 🙄🙄🙄

RainbowBagels · 31/12/2025 09:24

CatPawsAreCute · 31/12/2025 00:23

Every property any of them moves into seems to require renovation beforehand, so I believe my cynicism is well placed.

They have a responsibility to maintain their properties but it seems they dont. They couldn't possibly spend some of their own money maintaining them!

Restlesslimbs54 · 31/12/2025 11:54

Needspaceforlego · 31/12/2025 01:27

I think she would have done exactly the same as Charles. Listened to advisors and followed their advice.

I doubt until Glislane was convicted any of the RF realised the girls were trafficked.

Sometimes I wonder did AMW even know 20-25 years ago?
Or did he think they were prostitutes there of their own free will, getting well paid, like Pretty Women, or just 'cheap' girls out for a good time, get drunk, mingle and sleep with the rich and famous ?

25 years ago playboy and bunny girls were a thing. Even catalogues used to sell Playboy duvet covers and stuff. It was different times.

Sexual trafficking wasn't wildly spoken about, or if it was it would more be thought of as women from poor countries. Not rich countries like the US.

More minimising!

The Queen was told about the then Prince Andrew’s antics by civil servants and politicians and Lownie said they were ignored or sent away with a flea in their ear!

Do you think the Queen (allegedly) paid out £12 million pounds to make a court case go away because Prince Andrew mistook under age girls for waitresses?

Remember that during the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's former girlfriend, jurors heard that Andrew flew on Epstein's private plane with a 14-year-old girl in the mid-1990s.

There is a photo of seventeen year old Virginia Giuffre standing among a roomful of thirty, forty and fifty year old businessman in one of Epstein’s properties, and honestly she looked so out of place. She was wearing pastel coloured jeans and a simple t-shirt and she looked much more like school girl than party girl. Any normal person would have questioned her presence.

And if you think AMW mistook seventeen year olds procured by Maxwell as waitresses, how do you explain away the forty sex workers AMW invited to his hotel room in Bangkok over four days in 2006 while representing the UK as a trade envoy? That was only nineteen years ago. Andrew’s antics were witnessed, enabled and covered up by civil servants who were there at the time, according to Lownie, and they were also verified by a member of the Thai royal household and independently verified by another journalist.

How do you explain away that? Are you saying that Prince Andrew mistook the Thai sex workers for waitresses too? All forty of them?

And what about the response of the consul who was asked to find women for PA, with a specific preference for "blondes" and ballerinas. The book Entitled suggests that the prince's staff often facilitated these encounters, leading to the sharp retort from the civil servant who declined to engage in such activities, explicitly stating they were a diplomat, "not a pimp"?

I think you may not have read Entitled or else you wouldn’t be trying to explain away AMW’s behaviour as a bit of “ignorant” boys will be boys behaviour; prevalent at the time.

It went, way, way beyond that and was much more malevolent. Even Epstein thought Andrew was a sex addict and said so in private emails. Remember the nanny who had to leave Andrew’s employ because of his advances? Remember the dancers at the Royal Ballet who were warned about him?

Just study the timeline of events:

2008 - Epstein jailed for 18 months for sex offences when he admitted to prostituting minors.

2009 - Juan Alessi, an employee of Epstein testifies that Andrew had "daily massages" at the paedophile's Florida home.

2010 - Epstein released and photographed with Andrew having sent him an email that it would be good to catch up in person.

Are you arguing that PA was a normal, privileged, sexually active male who by accident decided to ignore his friend’s conviction for pardophilia?

And if you don’t think the SA of trafficked girls to be serious enough; how about all of the alleged financial corruption that he perpetrated while acting as trade envoy? The dodgy trades on the side that he did to profit himself which (allegedly) contravened laws governing behaviour while in public office?

billysboy · 31/12/2025 12:08

AMW is a Nonce lets get that crystal clear .

the late queen had plenty of opportunity to sort this mess out as does Prince Charles
The body guards etc must all have some accountability and have witnessed some of what went on ?

As usual no accountability for the enablers that surrounded AMW

deeahgwitch · 31/12/2025 14:56

“The late Queen had plenty of opportunity to sort this mess out as does Prince Charles. The body guards etc must all have some accountability and have witnessed some of what went on ?
As usual no accountability for the enablers that surrounded AMW”

👏🏻Too true @billysboy
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
The Queen showed us who she was and her beliefs.
Having Andrew escort her / accompany her when many in the country were up in arms over his behaviour after that insightful interview.
Paying allegedly £12 million to VG.
I know she was very wealthy but £12 million isn’t loose change and she handed it over …………..

Ukisgaslit · 31/12/2025 15:01

The minimising I see on here from some royalists makes me question the sort of person you have to be to support the Windsors now .