How do you think QEII would have handled the situation with AMW if she was still alive and reigning? (title edited my MNHQ at request of the OP)

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Been reminiscing quite a bit recently about the late Queen. I have been wondering if she would have taken the same actions that King Charles III has taken in relation to the former Prince Andrew, who is now known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.

Do you think she would have acted as decisively in stripping AMW of his royal status and stripping him of his titles? I think it would have been absolutely gut-wrenching for her to do, particularly given the widely-held notion that Andrew was her favourite child.

I am absolutely sure that QEII would not have removed Andrew’s “Prince” title, and I don’t think Charles should have done. I think the Queen was aware of public opinion, though - I think she might have been more likely to have moved him out of Royal Lodge, and left him with all his titles somewhere quiet where it wouldn’t have mattered.

I don't think she would have done anything other than what she'd done already. Bailed him out and allowed him to attend public events.

Hang on though! QE2 gave PA an honour very soon after his association with convicted Jeffrey Epstein first came to light!
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So not only does it appear that QE2 forgave her favourite son and allegedly contributed a fair amount of the £12 million to ensure he didn’t have to face his day in court for the exploitation of trafficked vulnerable young women, she actually gave him the honour of the Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (GCVO), which is the highest possible rank in that order and a personal gift from the monarch for service to the Crown.

And she did this in February 2011, shortly after images of Andrew with Epstein were published in the media. It’s totally mind-blowing in retrospect!

As was her covering up of PA’s fraud, and significant financial wrongdoings, while being paid by the public purse to act as trade envoy, despite politicians, diplomats and certain members of the intelligence services showing her evidence many times over. She still did nothing!

So no op, I think she would have continued to cover up his misdemeanours!

And can I add that PA is still being protected!

By all accounts he is going off to live a nice life in Bahrain or a country from where he cannot be extradited, and he is still going to be supported financially. He is not being made to do community service down Hammersmith Broadway or anything!

I have read that Andrew has chosen a property on the Sandringham estate that needs a massive amount of work done to it. Something tells me this is going to drag on and on and Andrew won't be moving out of Royal Lodge anytime soon

Yes I think Lownie mentioned that he wouldn’t be moving out of Royal Lodge until October next year, even though the comms from the Palace are trying to paint a picture of them all acting swiftly and decisively! Andrew obviously still has some bargaining tools!

I think the late Queen would have acted a similar way, the King has done the bare minimum and only at the point when it was a genuine risk to himself /the firm.

I read that he's moving to some sort of shoebox (although we all know the royal definition of 'shoebox' will be wildly different from ours 🙄) on the estate while another property is being renovated for him.

Whatever the truth I agree he's not going to be shifting his portly arse out of RL any time soon.

Exactly this.

She was also in poor health and quite elderly which makes it more of a struggle.

What?

She wasn't always elderly you know! She had decades to stop enabling his awful behaviour. She chose not to.

This is true.

I thought Edward was her favourite? Not the point of the thread I know.

Various PM's have described her as pin sharp to the end.

She knew and chose to disregard until the clamour of public opinion meant she just couldn't any more.

Appalling that her son has followed the same path.

Interesting.

Do you have any sources for that?

Prob no better than the sources that claim Andrew was. Its something "I've always known" pieces of info. Im only 45 btw 🤣

She knew. I believe a lot of the Firm must also have known. She chose to protect him from the consequences of his “naughty behaviour” and it diminishes her in my eyes.

She wouldn’t have done anything , she didn’t do anything about him when she was alive , except allegedly pay off his victim.

The BBC have just posted an article saying that 90 Epstein flights leaving the UK had British girls/women on board who say they were trafficked/abused, 'US lawyers representing hundreds of Epstein victims told the BBC it was "shocking" that there has never been a "full-scale UK investigation" into his activities on the other side of the Atlantic.' Yet the Met, despite being sent evidence by the BBC have said they will not be investigating.

The link is here.

Epstein's UK flights had alleged British abuse victims on board, BBC finds https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4709kylkxo

Handled? She would have done what she did before. Ignore, minimise, pay off and cover up!

She wouldn’t be the first parent to do that @bleakmidwintering

However, as HoS, she had a wider duty imo and should have put that first rather than enabling him.

She did what they are doing now, protecting the monarchy at all costs and only doing something when absolutely forced. None of them have been pro-active in this. Andrew will still be living a great life everything paid for, riding horses, playing golf etc etc just out of view.

Absolutely shocking that Epstein has never been investigated when a lot of his crimes were carried out here. It just smacks of a big institutional cover up just like Kincora Boys Home and Lord Mountbatten’s involvement. The late Queen was not the sweet old lady that a lot of people think she was.

Having seen a photo of Marsh Farm, shoebox it isn't.

Most of us would give our eye teeth to live in such a lovely place.

And what is it with this family that every single accommodation any of them moves into needs renovating beforehand?????