Does Prince Andrew have to become plain Andrew Windsor?

[Noras]

I am a Royalist and firmly believe in a constitutional monarchy. I think that a CM creates stability and is better than a President etc

It seems to me that Andrew ( guilty or not) has done huge amounts of damage to the brand and I think that he needs to become plain Andrew Windsor.

I can’t see any other option if they want to get ahead of the curve.

This thing is growing legs and the ripples could implicate the entire family. It seems to me that even the late Queen’s involvement is being looked at eg Andrew Lownie
discussions on security logs on the relevant night ( non sweat dance / Pizza Hut!) and how they ( PA and SF ) remained at Windsor to avoid being served papers.

Andrew needs to walk the streets as a plain mister or get out there demand a trial and clear his name.

He is destroying the Royal Family brick by brick.

Am I wrong?

I’ve met PA.

it was around 20 years ago and he came to visit our organisation.

We were told in advance of his visit by his team that he was volatile and unpredictable.
That he might say something rude or offensive or inappropriate but we were told that’s just the way he was. Sometimes he was very difficult and you never knew which Andrew you’d get.

When we met him he was actually very engaging and chatty. Nothing inappropriate at all. But I’ve never forgotten wondering how it was that someone could be allowed to be like that .. it just seemed taken for granted that he got (and expected to get) away with it.

He was basically rolled out to go and meet important people all over the world on behalf of “British business”. So it’s not hard to see how the power went to his head and his self importance ballooned … because unlike the other powerful people he met he didn’t have to do anything to earn the opportunity. He just had to turn up…. Hence the entitlement. It’s also not hard to see how he was so easily corrupted. He really bought into the idea that he was one of these people and not that they were simply buying his connections.

So fast forward to today it really doesn’t come as a surprise. He’s always been a bad egg and he’s been enabled his whole life.

unfortunately I think the one who made the mistakes was the queen. charles is now paying the price… as his brother.

I cant help but wonder if one of the reasons HMTLQ was so against H&M half in half out was because she saw a bit of andrew in BOTH of them (trafficking aside although we all know harry has skeletons)… and she knew how much a bit of power could corrupt.

This doesn’t make me view the RF any worse at all today. I like them all, except PA ane PH

Isn't it a bit much to compare Harry's skeletons to sex trafficking?

Certainly the skeletons that have appeared in the mainstream media.

There are rumours on other sources, but it is easy to spread rumours.

Which is why I keep an open mind about claims about Harry, Mountbatten, Philip etc Yes, the system protects the rich and powerful (Saville). But it is also possible (Carl Beech) that the claims are not true. You can't prove a negative.

You’re having a laugh surely?!

They left for self-centred not moral reasons!

Harry was never averse to a good old cover up of his shenanigans!

Hilarious 🤣

Yet another who doesn’t fails to understand how settlements work!

That’s not making any comment on what did or didn’t happen. We have one person’s word against the other’s.

What I will say is, if they did have sex, I would be very sure that Andrew would have thought that Virginia was delighted to do so with a prince!

If you're a monarchist you have to go along with whatever they want to do. That's the point of having a monarchy. If you don't want them to do whatever the fuck they please, don't be a monarchist.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect their behaviour to be within decent parameters. Which neither Andrew’s nor Harry’s has been albeit on a different scale!

The fact that Andrew’s unacceptable conduct involves debauchry and financially dodgy dealings (potentially fraud, and worse) doesn’t excuse Harry’s misbehaviour, which is, on the face of it, less serious.

But who knows how far Harry will go when the dollars run out and what dodgy deals have already been done with Archewell, Delaware registered etc.

Harry needs scrutiny before he ends up in a few years where Andrew is, possibly without the sexual misconduct!

What I will say is, if they did have sex, I would be very sure that Andrew would have thought that Virginia was delighted to do so with a prince!

Yet another one who doesn’t understand how the law works…..

Its totally irrelevant what the deluded, grandiose, arrogant and entitled multiple rapist of a vulnerable trafficked teenager thinks about his victim - the law determines what constitutes a crime and the consequences.

You are the one who doesn’t understand! I am not coming at this from a legal perspective because that is irrefutable!
Im just offering a perspective as to why Andrew might not have seen it as wrong, not delivering a ‘judgement’ on whether or not it wa wrong! If it happened, it was wrong!

We have one person’s word against the otjher’s! We are likely never to know who is telling the truth! One is dead and the other ostracised for life! No ‘winner’ is there?

ETA wtf has the law done about it? Damn all!

So are left with a dead accuser and a man who might just be innocent and there’s no way to establish it one way or the other!

For the record, I now think he’s guilty but that’s never going to be established!

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect their behaviour to be within decent parameters.

You can expect all you like but they don't have to do a damn thing in response. According to them, they're royal rulers because God said so, nothing to do with you. Ludicrous I know, but if you want a monarchy that's what you get.

Well he isnt now. After 7 pm tonight. Enfin.

So we're in Minority Report now? All the Royals need to be scrutinised, including Harry. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree. He feels he and his children have an entitlement because thats how he has been brought up. Although he has been far more scrutiny than Andrew and the rest for the heinous crime of complaining about his own family.

I agree with this.

There may be other ‘accusers’, as you put it

I seem to recall something about a Splitting Image puppet and some groping

I found thisAndrew, Maxwell, splitting image puppet

"And they decided to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on Virginia's lap, and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they put the puppet's hand on Virginia’s breast, and Andrew put his hand on my breast, and they took a photo." That was Johanna Sjoberg giving evidence in 2016.

Wouldn't bow to anyone, least of all the parasites that declare themselves Royal. The lot of them need binning.

Yes there should be a full inquiry into who knew what and when. The royal family have cut off their arm to save the rest of their body but only because of public pressure.

Mountbatten isnt a great association

Yes, I agree. Lord Louis Mountbatten and Kincora Boys Home !!!

A decade ago, people were predicting the end of the Catholic church, to give one example, because of the sex abuse scandal--one which dwarfs anything going on in the RF. Plenty of Catholics still going to mass. People have short memories.