Does Prince Andrew have to become plain Andrew Windsor?

[Noras]

I am a Royalist and firmly believe in a constitutional monarchy. I think that a CM creates stability and is better than a President etc

It seems to me that Andrew ( guilty or not) has done huge amounts of damage to the brand and I think that he needs to become plain Andrew Windsor.

I can’t see any other option if they want to get ahead of the curve.

This thing is growing legs and the ripples could implicate the entire family. It seems to me that even the late Queen’s involvement is being looked at eg Andrew Lownie
discussions on security logs on the relevant night ( non sweat dance / Pizza Hut!) and how they ( PA and SF ) remained at Windsor to avoid being served papers.

Andrew needs to walk the streets as a plain mister or get out there demand a trial and clear his name.

He is destroying the Royal Family brick by brick.

Am I wrong?

Completely agree.

I feel sorry that Charles, as a man living with incurable cancer, is having to deal with this shit but he has multitudes of staff and advisors so he just has to get on and do it because this isn’t going away.

Better to cut Andrew and his ex wife out altogether and make it entirely clear they are persona non grata with the royal family, just as they are with the country as a whole.

The monarchy continues by consent to some degree. That comes with expectations of decent and moral behaviour.

Whilst some variations have been tolerated throughout history Andrew and Sarah have gone far past tolerance.

Charles needs to act now to save the monarchy.

Allowing Andrew to save face by “voluntarily” agreeing he will not use his Duke or KG titles may have been thought pragmatic but it is not sufficient and smacks of pandering and cover up to the majority of the people.

It was ill advised and counterproductive.

Charles either goes a lot further or risks being seen as part of the problem.

He should remember the fate of his namesake.

I think he should become ‘Prisoner Windsor’

He is destroying the Royal Family brick by brick.

We can only hope he succeeds but he's also aided and abetted by the RF's absolute determination to keep their wider affairs shrouded in secrecy in the face of increasing calls for transparency.

A's atrocious behaviour is shining a welcome spotlight on the whole institution.

Disgusting that he wasn’t stripped of them.

lovely that powerful rich men get to choose whether or not they are stripped of titles.

meanwhile he should be in jail!

St Helena, Tristan da Cunha and Pitcairn might be quite nice retirement slots for a disgraced prince and his ex wife…

Sorry if I've misunderstood but my point was that. There will be no more princes or princesses down the Andrew line because they can't be passed on by women . So it disappears naturally after B&E's time. Anne gave up all titles. Edward's reverts to the crown (DoE) not sure what happens to his son's. Also not sure what happens to A&L. L I suppose can't pass on prince or princess but whether Archie can inherit DoS and his offspring ( if any) can be princes etc , not sure. But I do think increasing irrelevant members of the RF , their titles should disappear and if ever there were a precedent for being able to remove titles , not that the holders give them up, PA has handed one on a plate. & I'm not saying others are as dodgy as PA , that looks like it would be quite hard , but irrelevance I reckon could a decent reason. So if they get in a bit of legislation to make this possible rather than have to negotiate with self entitled boors , I'm in favour 😃

Why the vitriol for Harry and Megan ? You can’t possibly put them in the same category as Andrew and Ferguson. Perhaps the reason H&M left the royal family was because of the corruption and cover ups.

I agree with your point about irrelevancy, I was just adding that the prince and princess question resolves itself after A and L because their children are too remote from the monarch and don’t fall within the provisions of the George V LP.

I don’t know about other titles.

I think W will make further changes, whether he’ll go as far as removing A and L’s titles remains to be seen.

Yes he should

It wont be resolved as William has 3 children. The issue of what should happen to Charlotte and Louis children is still in question. Who knows how they will turn out or what they will decide about their own futures? What if Louis decides to throw the whole thing in like Harry? His kids could still be Prince/Princess. The title should be restricted to children of the Monarch/heir.

not sure what happens to his son's

James has the courtesy title Earl of Wessex, and when Edward dies, James will have the title in his own right, and it will be inherited by his eldest son. Unlike the Edinburgh title, it is not a life peerage.

The Sussex dukedom is not a life peerage and will be inherited by Archie unless Harry is deprived of it, which would take an Act of Parliament. Archie and Lilibet cannot pass on prince/princess titles because under the LPs of 1917, their children will not be grandchildren of a monarch, and Lilibet's will be in the female line.

When William is king, he can issue new LPs to change any of the prince/princess titles (or to add some, if he wishes Charlotte's children to be prince/princess). The peerage titles can only be removed by Parliament.

@ladykale , meanwhile he should be in jail! He's not been tried and convicted for any crimes.

Perhaps the reason H&M left the royal family was because of the corruption and cover ups.

Clearly it wasn’t the reason they left because they have documented it in a multitude of media formats over the years - starting with their announcement saying they were fully supporting the BRF by planning to collaborate with the Queen whilst also earning elsewhere. This presumption was turned down so they flounced off in a Narc rage.

I wish they had spoken out and exposed what they knew but instead they have chosen to tightly align themselves and their DC with this tarnished brand and institution by insisting on using their titles in order to earn $$$$.

There is nothing stopping ‘The Humanitarians of the Year’ stepping up right now and exposing what they know in the service of the victims of their rapist relative - but that won’t pay their bills in Cali - they are on the gravy train and as complicit in their silence as all the rest of them, sadly.

Perhaps the reason H&M left the royal family was because of the corruption and cover ups
Harry wants the RF to have less scrutiny! His main issue was that the 'men in grey suits' (in other words his family) were telling the press things about him, and that his family have too close a relationship with the press. He would like to go back in time where they could do what they liked. He's not going to call out corruption in the RF.

He raped this vulnerable teenager multiple times.

@NewAgeNewMe, @Banderawalla , he is alleged to have done something does not mean he did it.
(It doesn't mean he didn't do it either)

Tell me how you feel now after making that comment about a rapist who publicly paid £12million to his teenage victim that he claims to have never met.

Well he can always go to court or even speak to the FBI, but he refuses to do either. No point ' maintaining his innocence' like about 90% of convicted criminals if he wont even give evidence. His defence to the civil claim was completely based on slut shaming a sex trafficking victim ( something he was forced to apologise for as part of the settlement).

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They are a despicable family who all drip feed the press with stories against each other to take the heat off themselves. You are right, there needs to be more clarity, not less. I really thought there would be more of an outcry when the Chanel 4 Dispatches programme exposed how they are ripping the country off with the Duchies which actually belongs to the Nation and not them personally. That was a year ago and it’s all been forgotten: unbelievable 😱

I wouldn't ever bow/curtsey to any of them, why on earth would anyone?

I really thought there would be more of an outcry when the Chanel 4 Dispatches programme exposed how they are ripping the country off with the Duchies which actually belongs to the Nation and not them personally. That was a year ago and it’s all been forgotten

Heard a brilliant comment the other day along the lines of the palace carpet will be brushing the ceiling soon with all the dirt swept under it.

What has astounded me is that not only has the skimming scandal sunk almost without trace, if it is ever brought up there are so many prepared to defend it.

Quite extraordinary.

There is no legal requirement to bow or curtsey to those with royal titles. It is optional.

Yes, the speaker of the house has informed MPs that they cannot discuss the royal family. So that’s that then; we just have to put up with it. They say this is a democratic country !!!

He hasn't said that, he said there were ways of doing so.

How easy those ways are I don't know.

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