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olderandnonthewiser · 2025-10-19T22:26:00+00:00

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father. How do you see it?

EverybodyLTB · 20/10/2025 21:07

TightlyLacedCorset · 20/10/2025 20:47

I agree with most of what you say.

But I would also say actually no, it wasn't normal in the past for Royal ruling houses to continue without challenge. There were many times where another in the line or even out of the line would sense the dissatisfaction in the air and challenge the prevailing monarch with either successful or extremely fatal consequences. Monarchs had to have ears on the ground for any hints of rebellion.

We now have a situation where this is impossible and each generation knows their place can never be challenged, no matter what they do. I don't know history enough to know when this became the case, but is it any wonder that this leads to corruption?

I am suggesting we put a mechanism, a sort of breaker, in place where we can install some other Royal family member, but only in extreme situations, such as now.

You are right to say that those I suggested may not want to take on the role. So what if we sorted it by those that do? You cannot tell me some of them wouldn't want it. There are thousands in the succession.

We could winnow down the candidates and parliament chooses.

I actually think this would restore some interest in the Monarchy

Do you truly believe that the Monarchy will continue in it's present form with Gen Z and Alpha?

I sincerely doubt it.

They are so out of touch, they have been congratulating themselves as having taken a 'hard stance' by allowing Andrew to voluntarily not use his titles when he is implicated in the biggest sex scandal of all time. The media has tried to spin it as them 'forcing Andrew' to do it, in order to cover for their lame inaction.

And they genuinely think it's enough. Nothing to see here!

Nothing I say will ever happen (sadly)

But you think they can continue for much longer with this modus operandi?

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This is it, you’re right about the instability of monarchy, plus the inaction I swear seems to be passing so many people by! They’ve done nothing about any of this, for years and years. People are desperately looking for hope in a slight look from William or making something Andrew has done himself, into Charles being decisive. “The Queen didn’t know!” People are always saying. Such a pile of steaming bullshit. Andrew is now, after years and years of these scandals, doing the bare minimum show of contrition. Absolute bare, bare minimum. William can’t even be bothered to make comment on it to save face. He detests us plebs and doesn’t think he owes us anything. No statement, no nothing. Beatrice has gone over mumsy and pa’s for one of their banquets and a nice sit down this evening. They don’t give a shit, in fact, they fully sanction Andrew.

Such madness to say nothing can change and it’s all just the way things are. The monarchy as we know it is over a thousand years old, but how do people think we got Germans in the first place? William and Mary? What about the Tudors? Why did we get a Magna Carta? Why is Charlotte now in the line of succession, that’s not how it used to work? What about the interregnum. Regicide? Lady Jane Grey? How was Mary I in line and then a bastard and then back in?

Because people stepped in when the monarchy wasn’t toeing whatever line, and flipped it upside down and rejigged things. Danny Dyer probably has more of a straight line to the throne from William the Conqueror than Charles III does, let’s have him!

CathyorClaire · 20/10/2025 21:11

Slinky1460 · 20/10/2025 10:44

They both married well and will have an aristocratic lifestyle regardless of the father's crimes. They must be really torn between the two sides.

I don't think 'torn' is the case.

One husband has a small business exemption from filing full accounts and the other is a glorified estate agent.

I don't doubt they'll have a rarefied lifestyle but the bones of it will be underwritten by trust funds ultimately derived from the taxpayer.

They'll stay on the side their bread is buttered.

StarieNight · 20/10/2025 21:48

The yorks have a context , background they have (must have ) some grievance to hang all this on ,some huge excuse

I do get that they can't work like normal people can...for instance I see Andrew in a nylon security guards outfit pulling on a fag but he could never do that job becUse it would cost us more to protect him doing it.
He also didn't ask to be royal and be a prince without normal choices.

However something goes beyond that with his sheer arrogance. They have a hook ,their excuse to their daughters ?

They have something some sob story.

Maybe Sarah will come out as bi polar !

I feel terribly sorry for them . Most people have at least one parent whose partly good its unusual to have both so immoral and rotten.

The mail is trying to say hs family are distancing themselves whilst ...showing Beatrice visiting today and a caption ...Beatrice showing the strain and in the pic she's laughing .

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 22:07

LBFseBrom · 20/10/2025 09:44

Along with many others who, at that time, believed Epstein had been wrongly convicted.

I don't believe the words of Lownie, am surprised anyone does. He's up there with Lady Colin Campbell and the Daily Mail.

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I’m beginning to wonder about him a bit too. He’s just a bit too gleeful and a bit too omnipresent. He hates Andrew as well and admits to having kicked him on the rugby pitch whenever he got the chance! Andrew is a terrible human being but I don’t like Lownie either!

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 22:10

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 21:03

Yeah I saw those photos too and raised an eyebrow at them. Considering she will know that Royal Lodge is bound to be overran by photographers right now it seems like a strange time to risk a visit.

I'd like to say I'm surprised but I'm not. Wonder if the posters who had a go earlier at those of us who judged them for endorsing their parents behaviour because we had no way of knowing if B or E had distanced themselves are.

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There is no way of knowing what she was going there for.

Plenty of families in crisis have talks that are not always chummy.

I don't quite honestly see why the daughters are being blamed for behaviour the father is accused of.

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 22:12

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 09:50

Absolutely but they are to blame for their own actions, which includes going with their mother to celebrate Epstein's release from prison. Both were over 18 when they chose to do it, so neither was being taken against their will.

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They probably swallowed the line that poor “uncle” Jeffrey was innocent. Two sheltered, pampered princesses - it’s not such a stretch?

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 22:15

MojoMoon · 20/10/2025 09:58

Does the jumble sale ribbon cutting really need to be done?

Most of the charity work done by the extended family is very low profile (Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, Sophie) so it doesn't even particularly help a charity get more views on social media or engagement from the public. What's the ROI on having them as your patron? Pretty small I imagine. Better off with a YouTuber or TikTok creator.

A slimmed down Royal family of just William and family, plus Anne and Edward + Sophie until they die, will still get the main jobs of royalty (outside the role of King) done, namely state dinners, Duke of Edinburgh Award and Buckingham Palace window waving. Anne and Edward may easily have another 20 years left in them given the age their parents went on to so by then the three children in immediate family are well old enough to be doing their bit.

The number of people that excited to meet a minor royal or so interested in what they are doing that they suddenly donate to a charity for the first time is probably pretty tiny.

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I guess it’s news to Sophie that she does “low profile” work!!

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 22:18

PhuckTrump · 20/10/2025 10:24

Exactly. We’ve seen some interesting mental gymnastics here today. On the one hand, a 16 year old has the wherewithal to consent to submit to being trafficked internationally for sex. On the other hand, we have princesses in their 20s who aren’t capable of having consented to meet with Epstein.

Both can’t be true.

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Of course both can’t be true but I think VG would have been more worldly wise than B
and E?

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 22:22

Mydadsbirthday · 20/10/2025 10:48

Prince Edward's children aren't prince and princess, they are Viscount and Lady as per the children of an earl (I think). And they're quite young still and in education so it's too early to tell what they will and won't do with their royal status.

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James is now the Earl of Wessex since Edward became Duke of Edinburgh.

Imdunfer · 20/10/2025 22:22

Rosscameasdoody · 20/10/2025 20:56

Not an abuser, a rapist. If VG was trafficked she was not ‘an apparently willing 17 year old’. She was a victim of Epstein and Maxwell, and had no choice - therefore not legally capable of consent. VG was trafficked for sex at the age of 16. Legally still a child and only just at the age of consent. That it’s not paedophilia is legally correct, but is the trafficking and repeated rape of her and vulnerable young girls like her any less vile a crime for that ?

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Well the clue is in the word "apparently". She appeared willing. It's not rape if you genuinely believe you have consent and have reason for that belief. She was trained by Epstein and Maxwell to behave as if she wanted sex with the men they told her to have sex with. I believe that he knew she was being prostituted, but not that she had not given consent.

She may have had no choice due to psychological coercion, but there's no reason to suppose that Andrew knew she had no choice. What evidence do you know that she'd given any inkling that he did not have her consent? In her book I believe she says how Maxwell praised her for giving Andrew so much fun.

He's a sleazeball and a liar, but I don't believe what happened with Virginia in the way she described it makes him a rapist.
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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 22:24

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 22:10

There is no way of knowing what she was going there for.

Plenty of families in crisis have talks that are not always chummy.

I don't quite honestly see why the daughters are being blamed for behaviour the father is accused of.

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I knew that'd be the response!

I have said time and again that I hold them responsible for their own actions. Namely willingly associating with the convicted Jeffery Epistine and going to America to celebrate his release from prison.

Nothing in the world has stopped them from putting a statement out expressing sympathy for VG or his other victims but they've chosen not to do that.

Again their choice and that's what I judge them for.

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 22:25

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 22:24

I knew that'd be the response!

I have said time and again that I hold them responsible for their own actions. Namely willingly associating with the convicted Jeffery Epistine and going to America to celebrate his release from prison.

Nothing in the world has stopped them from putting a statement out expressing sympathy for VG or his other victims but they've chosen not to do that.

Again their choice and that's what I judge them for.

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Well I guess awaiting the MET investigation might be one thing holding them back from putting out a statement.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 22:27

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 22:25

Well I guess awaiting the MET investigation might be one thing holding them back from putting out a statement.

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Their father managed to put a statement out to the effect I mentioned eventually and no doubt under duress.

Also the MET investigation is a very recent thing.

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 22:28

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 22:27

Their father managed to put a statement out to the effect I mentioned eventually and no doubt under duress.

Also the MET investigation is a very recent thing.

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I should imagine he considers himself rather more deeply embroiled.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 22:31

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 22:28

I should imagine he considers himself rather more deeply embroiled.

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That's fine but his daughters don't really have any room to complain about people judging their actions when they're doing very little to help show themselves in a better light.

RainbowBagels · 20/10/2025 22:35

Such madness to say nothing can change and it’s all just the way things are. The monarchy as we know it is over a thousand years old, but how do people think we got Germans in the first place? William and Mary? What about the Tudors? Why did we get a Magna Carta? Why is Charlotte now in the line of succession, that’s not how it used to work? What about the interregnum. Regicide? Lady Jane Grey? How was Mary I in line and then a bastard and then back in?

They say that bad kings cause progress, good kings don't.

EverybodyLTB · 20/10/2025 22:36

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 22:18

Of course both can’t be true but I think VG would have been more worldly wise than B
and E?

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Oh yes, all that abuse and rape made 16-17 year old Virginia so “worldly wise”

Shame that 20 year old university educated princesses couldn’t keep up and remained worldly un-wise. Come on now. B & E are making choices at this stage. Choices of privileged adults. They might not have street smarts but they know their own minds and have been educated and lived away from home at the point when they went to see Uncle Jeff home from horrid old prison.

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 20/10/2025 22:45

I do feel a bit sorry for them, but if they have been involved in their parents dodgy dealings it’s harder to have much sympathy. That said they’ve had those two as parents all of their lives, which can’t have been great, and even if they don’t believe what’s being said about their father, still pretty terrible to have even the accusations out there. I personally think that he’s up to his neck in this, but I get why they might not.

MauriceTheMussel · 20/10/2025 23:00

Imdunfer · 20/10/2025 22:22

Well the clue is in the word "apparently". She appeared willing. It's not rape if you genuinely believe you have consent and have reason for that belief. She was trained by Epstein and Maxwell to behave as if she wanted sex with the men they told her to have sex with. I believe that he knew she was being prostituted, but not that she had not given consent.

She may have had no choice due to psychological coercion, but there's no reason to suppose that Andrew knew she had no choice. What evidence do you know that she'd given any inkling that he did not have her consent? In her book I believe she says how Maxwell praised her for giving Andrew so much fun.

He's a sleazeball and a liar, but I don't believe what happened with Virginia in the way she described it makes him a rapist.
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Because what 17 year old wants to shag fugly buffoon Randy Andy?!

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 23:05

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 22:31

That's fine but his daughters don't really have any room to complain about people judging their actions when they're doing very little to help show themselves in a better light.

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It's quite possible the palace have instructed them to say nothing.

But whatever the case, whatever they believe, you can rest assured it will all be terribly painful for them and they will wish as much as the rest of us that nothing had happened to those girls. I don't really see why so much needs to hinge on Beatrice and Eugenie.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 23:09

you can rest assured it will all be terribly painful for them and they will wish as much as the rest of us that nothing had happened to those girls

I'd very much hope that this is true but the fact that they went to welcome the man who abused them.home from prison does beg questions.

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 23:19

lifeonmars100 · 20/10/2025 10:36

😂That expression always amuses me, a "working royal" has their diary managed months in advance by some lackey, when they go to "work! they will have been well briefed by staff about whatever they are going to. They will be kitted out in very expensive clothes, if female their hair and make up will be done and a luxury chaffeur driven car will take them to their destination. Some smiling, waving and superficial chat and then off they go back home. I don't doubt that it can be boring and repetitive but it beats a 12 hour shift in A and E, stacking shelves on the night shift, emptying the bins or driving a bus to name just a few real jobs

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I don’t know. They are constantly on display. They have to appear interested and informed. They have to be on good form no matter how they feel and endlessly courteous even if they are bored as fuck. They are slated if they get anything ‘wrong’ and they are criticised for how they look, what they wear. They live in a goldfish bowl. Would you want that?

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 20/10/2025 23:31

EleanorReally · 20/10/2025 09:18

exactly - paedophiles are for prepubescents, ie, under 13

@EleanorReallyI was pubescent aged 13. My 11 year old daughter is pubescent. Would any man who had sex with either of us at these stages not be a paedophile in your eyes?

Yes, technically it’s hebephilia- the sexual interest by adults of adolescents aged between about 11 and 16ish- but it’s not as well known a term, so people use paedophile as a catch all. We all know what they mean.

Nanlette · 20/10/2025 23:32

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 22:18

Of course both can’t be true but I think VG would have been more worldly wise than B
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Go on. Explain that to me.

Banjaxxedd · 20/10/2025 23:35

Imdunfer · 20/10/2025 22:22

Well the clue is in the word "apparently". She appeared willing. It's not rape if you genuinely believe you have consent and have reason for that belief. She was trained by Epstein and Maxwell to behave as if she wanted sex with the men they told her to have sex with. I believe that he knew she was being prostituted, but not that she had not given consent.

She may have had no choice due to psychological coercion, but there's no reason to suppose that Andrew knew she had no choice. What evidence do you know that she'd given any inkling that he did not have her consent? In her book I believe she says how Maxwell praised her for giving Andrew so much fun.

He's a sleazeball and a liar, but I don't believe what happened with Virginia in the way she described it makes him a rapist.
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It's not rape if you genuinely believe you have consent and have reason for that belief.

This all hinges on the trafficking - by law you cannot consent if you have been trafficked - and by law this is then deemed rape.

Prince Andrew had sex with a vulnerable American teenager in LONDON - so it was 100% obvious to anyone that she had been trafficked - so by law his actions were rape.

Luckily your belief as a random anonymous internet user is both irrelevant and wrong (also highly suspect also disingenuous because no one is that stupid) - fortunately the law is crystal clear that Prince Andrew’s actions were that of a rapist whether he considered him not to be one himself doesnt matter and doesn’t absolve him of the crime.