Prince Harry is relevant imo

[FloridaCheese]

He's the son of the King.

And will be the brother of the next King

we grew up with him around during QE2's reign

the discord on here for Harry is becoming laughable. Posters desperate to dig him out at every opportunity

Id welcome him back and I'm sure there are others that would too. Not on MN though.

I would say that cute little pic is fairly worthless as the basis of any serious argument.

Firstly, there are no sources for any of the figures, which is a basic journalistic failing.

Secondly, it fails to take into account per capita costs. Britain has by far the largest population of any of the European monarchies, even without the 14 overseas realms. Luxembourg, for example, has a population more than 100 times smaller than that of Britain. By that metric, the British monarchy is probably no more, and quite possibly less expensive than the oft praised 'Scandi royals'.

Thirdly, the unsourced statistics refer to the year in which the Coronation took place, which was a major and exceptional expense.

Finally, and obviously this is something which can't be known from a cutesy little picture with no sources, but you have to look at how these figures are arrived at. The Spanish figure may look very low, but this is at least in part because the costs of maintaining the royal properties is managed not directly by the royals themselves, but by another taxpayer funded organisation, the Patrimonio Nacional.

So it's all a bit more complex than this little picture would have you believe.

They have recently advertised for a nanny to fit one of the shifts worked by their current team.

The slimming down to just monarch, consort, heir and heir's spouse will be difficult while the monarch is Head of the Commonwealth (I acknowledge the monarch might not be in the future) and being HoS of many more countries than just the UK.

I know we can sometimes make comments along the lines that William has essentially over-corrected in terms of how much time he spends with his kids but neither do we want to go back to royal parents not spending enough time with their kids. So I think they'll continue to need more than 4 royals.

i agree with the pp, the issue is Harry is a way more interesting character than William. William comes across as rather staid, lacking a personality.

I don’t see this at all, William is a much more interesting character! He makes a really strong impression on those who meet him. Harry’s all gurning and balloon fights, lovely for the kids but nothing to hold the attention of a grown up.

There’s a lot about Harry that stimulates discussion but that doesn’t make him interesting, just controversial.

I think the days of Royals going and waving to the Colonies is over though. Do they need to jet all over the world? They definitely dont need to do it for months on end. Heads of State of most other countries, even where the HoS is an executive position dont need to draft in their brothers and sisters and all their kids to help them with their jobs.

No - as a royal, he’s toast.

As a celebrity - he might have a year or two more life in him.

To royalists he’s a horrible treacherous dimbo who’s cooked his goose.

To people who don’t support the royals he must logically be even less relevant- a man whose only claim to fame is simply that he is related to people they think have no relevance.

https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/features/prince-harry-king-charles-meeting-william-b2824458.html
Sorry - it's behind a paywall.
Basically the jist of it is that William needs to get on with reconciling with Harry.

KC’s workloads vs William’s

C3's publicists have recently rather cleverly touted the number of days engagements took place rather than the number of hours. Many engagements are fairly fleeting affairs.

This link shows that in 2023 he managed a stonking two months' full time equivalent with the whole lot barely rustling up six months between them:

https://www.republic.org.uk/prince_william_costing_taxpayer_over_127_000_an_hour_republic

W managed far less, naturally.

That is one point of view. Then there is the majority one - that Harry will sell anything he is told if it brings in a buck so William would be a fool to welcome him back.

I agree that William need to step up and do a lot more. The monarchy was carried by Queen Elizabeth, when she died so did an awful lot of support. They needed to do more, not less, to show their continued value. William will become King but if George is to inherit the crown then William is going to have to get out there a lot lot more.

If the next four in line were tragically wiped out, I think the British Public would see it as a convenient way to bring the monarchy to an end.

He commented that William was visiting the Duchy and talking to people in a low- key manner on a regular basis.

W has a £22m vested interest in the Duchy. It's entirely unsurprising (if disappointing) he prioritises it over other 'work'.

Interestingly neither LTQ nor C3 were/ have been noted for trotting off to connect with their Lancaster holdings at the drop of a hat.

H3 is not good for the monarchy and not good for the countey. He has caused immense trouble over the last few years.

100% agree

I think they're still going to have to visit though, fairly frequently. Although, of course, those countries may also choose not to have the British monarch as HoS. Perfectly understandable but not within the control of the RF itself. Until those countries vote to become republics, the royals will need to visit them.

You can’t just bring a monarchy to an end if William and his family were wiped out, Harry and Meghan would be King and Queen and I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t want the monarchy to finish either. Even just removing the King as Head of State is not straightforward as Jamaica is finding out, a constitutional monarchy that’s the heart of our country’s, government, laws, armed forces to name but a few, it would take literally years to unravel, I’m not saying it cannot be done but it won’t just come to an end because the Wales family are dead, it doesn’t work like that.

Edited for spelling

Wonder is this ringing alarm bells in BP - especially the data about younger folks.

www.newsweek.com/king-charles-monarchy-popularity-poll-2127603

followed by the press chasing some drama - family conflict is the easiest. Meghan’s family made bit that super easy but they tried hard with the Middleton’s too.

TBF the Middletons rolled over for a kicking when they walked away from their debts while continuing their blatantly opulent lifestyle.

Markle did this and Harry was too weak to stand up to her. Claiming they want a private life but employing many marketing teams to ‘market’ them.

The hate towards him is crazy and feels very illogical at times. I do see where you’re coming from re: relevance.

The Middletons didn’t do anything unusual or shady. They set up Party Pieces as a limited liability company (Ltd.), which is the standard structure in the UK (and most other places). The whole point of that setup is to separate personal wealth from business risk.

So when Party Pieces went under, creditors could only go after the company’s assets — not Carole and Michael’s private money or property. That’s how nearly every business owner operates.

Maybe, but I would fully expect that unravelling to happen at that point.

Thank you for posting this.

It bears out my stated opinion that their best option would have been to walk into the sunset after E2 died.

I expected the wheels to fall off but not as quickly or spectacularly as has proved to be the case.

Well yes, that was an easy one. But I was talking more about the dip between the engagement and wedding high, and also the dip between the George high and the Charlotte high.

They really struggled because the Middletons are a tight-knit and close family who seem to really like each other, so there's no drama there. But they tried to make a lot of Carol's common roots and crazy uncle Gary which was a potential drama option but then he was invited to the wedding and kept 'in the fold' so there was nothing else to write about. (I do think it was a mistake not to do the same with Meghan's siblings)

Then after George was born they went for the line that Charles was upset with the Middletons for hogging all the time with the first grandbaby, and that Carol was a control freak who had too much influence with William. That line of drama was shut down by Middletons being very publicly welcomed to Balmoral and a few other royal 'family' based events.

It must have felt like Christmas to the press when Meghan appeared on the scene and first it turned out she had a very messy family situation, and then the endless gift that was Megzit.

Look at how thrilled they are that they can pitch a William vs Harry story again after several quiet years!

They set up Party Pieces as a limited liability company (Ltd.)

They set it up as a limited liability company after it had been a partnership (unlimited liability) for decades and shortly before it folded.

Make of it what you will.

Think Harry has blown it . So many provable lies .

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15097895/prince-harry-kyiv-spare-netflix-not-revenge.html