I have pre-ordered Andrew Lownie's Book (out I think 14th August) A thread for those interested in "Entitled"

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So for those interested in this book about the Yorks. I will read it and interested to hear from others who have or to give an opinion.

No spitting , no gouging 😂

We don’t have the facts before us yet, and I’m not sure we ever will. How can you quantify the harm A and SF have done globally (genuine question)?

As far as the world outside the UK is concerned it may be irrelevant.

Saw my barrister son (always hot on current affairs) and his friends last week and I was keen for a jolly good gossip but none of them even knew what I was on about.

Some papers just ignored option too, and frankly, if I hadn’t been on MN I would have missed it since I don’t read the DM (not on pompous principle, I just don’t).

Is it really that big a deal except on here?

Option too…what’s that? Bloody autocorrect, that’s what!

Is it really that big a deal except on here?

No, and it should be. It is a huge embarrassment to the Monarchy, the whole family and obviously it will be dampened down like everything about the Monarchy is. I live in hope not, but of course they have form for this.

How can you quantify the harm A and SF have done globally (genuine question)?

I can't as you well know. Because I don't move in those circles. However, Lownie contacting 3,000 people and I think it was over 300 from all over the world being willing to be named (3 pages at the beginning of the book naming them) and to talk to him must mean that Andrew's behaviour was very bad.

I think it's best we agree to disagree. I see no point in trying to compare harry/meghan with andrew/sarah. I have my views on it. You have yours.

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I’m not making points from a moral perspective - merely a realistic one. I’m not arguing the moral relativism of the two couples’ behaviour, which is what you imply.

I’m talking about how much negative impact their actions will have or have had on the UK’s image internationally. H&M did an interview and a documentary and published a scurrilous book to a global audience. Clearly that harmed the UK.

I’ve been surprised to discover jut how localised the A and S revelations are - very few friends were even aware. You can’t blame the RF for that - you have to blame Joe Public. If Joe cares enough, he/she will let us know.

I don't understand your post. Andrew & Sarah's activities were not 'localised'. Sarah spent a lot of time in the US, in the ME and Andrew... well, I have listed some of his activities in my long post. Far from 'localised' , he travelled the world and there will be opinions worldwide about him and her

I also don't understand your statement 'very few friends were aware', no idea what you mean.

As I said... it is completely pointless trying to compare two couples like you want to. So I would rather leave it there. There is more support for harry and meghan outside MN than there is on here.
Let's agree to disagree.

@jumpingthehighjump
My sympathies are with harry and meghan because the grifting and appalling behaviour of A&S is far far more than anything they have done at all. And they must know this.

Give H&M time, they've only been grifting 5 years, the yorks have been at it 40 years! and mostly under the radar unlike the Sussex's who are not smart enough to do it quietly.

This thread is about Andrew, not harry and Meghan, there's enough threads on mumsnet to knock them.

This is about Lownie and the book and unravelling that.
Comparisons don't work.

Shit… it does make you wonder how on earth he got away with it all!

I know.

And to be honest, it shows QE2 and the rest of the Institution in an extremely bad light.

Yes - no prob, but you’re still missing my point.

And you're missing mine.

I have questioned myself as a mother in comparison to her late Majesty how far would I go to bury my head in the sand.
My DH has said I soon keep quiet when it comes to my kids! I'm not defending QE2 or saying I would behave the same but this has made me wonder do mothers give son's more leeway.

Sons don't become pregnant. Daughters might. Perhaps mothers throughout history have always been easier on the sons - this is a very generalised statement.

On these threads I have often met this supposition that if QE2 or KC are/were talking to Andrew they must have been approving of him. I don't think that's necessarily true. I would think there's many a family where a dodgy one isn't thrown out of the family but most of them know he's dodgy and don't defend him for it.

The queen wasn’t just talking to him. She was seen out riding with him, and let him escort her to events. And now he’s on holiday with the King.

While I generally don't think there's anything to choose between the venal lot of them and much as it pains me to defend any royal, Henry and Rachel haven't been shown to have been involved in the kind of sex scandals that have dogged the vile Yorks for decades.

That IMO wins the 'who's worse' game hands down.

Is anyone wondering why on earth the Queen didn’t keep an eye on what her disgusting son was up to? It’s made me think much much less of her to be honest.

What we’re seeing at the moment is fanciful, vacuous Meghan, it’s easy to forget the vindictive and calculating Meghan of the NF series and OW interview. Tom Bower is focused on that version, and wisely so.

As the royals famously 'never explain' we're left to go on what we see.

As Peter Kay used to say Uncle Nobhead!

I think her commitment to the interests of The Firm overriding pretty much everything else is becoming more and more noisy.

So infuriating that what she knew v. what she did will likely be sealed (maybe even destroyed? I think C is in the process of 'editing' her papers?) for generations.

I agree comparisons are silly and totally irrelevant. It’s the old apples and oranges situation.

I can’t bear either couple, but obviously for different reasons.

She was out riding with him where there weren't any servants ears and the security man was far enough away not to hear what she said. It was the most private place for her to tell him what she really thought.
Which events did she let him escort her to? Certainly there was a church service where the rest of the family came in and processed up the aisle to take their seats and Andrew appeared from somewhere near the altar and led her round somewhere. I can't remember what service that was. At what others events was he her escort?
'On holiday with the king'? Do you think they are spending most days together and eating dinner together every evening?

Well, Andrew and his venal wife need to be surgically removed.

Virginia Giuffre memoir set to be released:

https://archive.ph/zbrpu