Is As ever all over? Starting to feel like it.

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It’s been 14 hours since the launch of the 2024 Rose. Nothing has sold out. This is despite it being designed again as a scarcity drop, so it can’t be argued she’s finally got her stock levels right.

• As ever stated the wine launch going ‘live’ at on the 5th August. Language designed to get you to rush and buy. Just like all this SM shopping you get now.
• Meghan put out a message many hours ago, stating that they have so much more stock (sad clapback to stuff not shifting) but hurry and be quick because it’s selling fast!!! (It’s clearly not)
• This launch however, has attracted very little press compared to previous drops

The scarcity gimmick is already tired and because she’s been absent from SM for 2 months…save for a few stock images/videos- she’s lost any momentum she had. She’s putting in bare minimum and her customer base feel it. She’s checked out.

There’s been talk of another series of WLM 3 and Meg getting a new NF contract, but I think that is just to fill the void until she can get WLM2 out. At which point, we will find out if there is any truth in any further deals.

The reason why I doubt WLM3, is that for continuity, you would need the same venue. But the home is now being used to to host weddings etc, it’s no longer a private rental but one open to the public to rent. There’s no way Meg would film in that location now. In addition she would need to have gotten the go ahead already for WLM3 and be filming right now to be able to stick to a schedule. The fact that it isn’t already confirmed, it’s giving the signal that WLM is over (in addition to knowing NF deal is done)

Now if WLM is over, I don’t think she has the draw to pull people to As ever. She doesn’t engage with her fan base enough, she does the bare minimum of SM posts, which she hasn’t even achieved the last few months. The Shopmy page is dead too. This is why the new wine launch has barely registered and hasn’t sold out 14 hours later. Yes, there will be more stock but it’s been designed for a sell out so there won’t be huge numbers.

As ever I think will be slowly wound down. There will be WLM2, with maybe another 18 months of drops. Then like everything else, it will be dropped quietly. Everyone is starting to get a bit bored by the half hearted, very beige effort she’s put into her ‘business’ and have tuned out.

She will have to launch yet another version of herself very soon. We’ve had actress, feminist, activist, producer, philanthropist….now female founder. God knows what’s next!

Well considering the media was only weeks ago crowing aboit how there was no future deal

A deal is a deal though

Well, good luck to them,at least it's something. Plus it's not selling royal gossip and his family's privacy, so that's a positive. I hope they've moved away from that.
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What else brings in the viewers ? Polo? Invictus ? Flower sprinkles ?

....making it Netflix’s most-watched culinary show since its release

How many other culinary shows has NF released in that time?

It's like Amazon Kindle - You can be a bestseller ... in some niche and obscure category that no-one would ever have thought of.

No. It’s not really. Because If it was their new deal with Netflix would consist of something more tangible than it does, as well as be worth more than the nothing this (all round face saving deal) is worth in real terms.

On a different note, regarding the views on NF - let’s not forget that we saw a breakdown of the views recently and how they were calculated to be classed as a view and it’s not what I suspect you think it is.

Usually a first look deal offers some production expenditure of the initial ideas, once explored Netflix will decide to further invest or pass. At least Harry has been included though I'm not sure why. Meghans viewing figures for WLM are not too bad for this style of show, but these sorts of shows are not as heavily invested and not going to bring multi million pounds deals. Ideally they can make enough money to not revert back to the selling stories.

A looser arrangement😳 that's one way of putting it 😂 they've been kicked into touch !

I’m sure it will be as successful as all their other endeavours!

Harry was included because the only show they've produced that has been an unequivocal success was the 'Harry and Meghan' documentary. They're keeping open the door to more royal gossip documentaries by including Harry.

I still think Harry should produce a Survivor-style reality show with Invictus veterans. As former soldiers, they would have been trained in survival skills. They could receive specialist training on how to apply these skills with their disability, and compete in challenges. If it was done in a supportive, encouraging style, then it could be a positive but still interesting show. And then people could watch the Invictus games and cheer for the competitors they know from the show.

@garlicandsapphires You asked whether this was better than no deal at all. No deal with Netflix would mean they are free to pursue deals with other streamers that are more akin to their original Netflix deal, with production support. The fact that they signed a first-look deal with Netflix suggests they knew they wouldn't get such a deal elsewhere. Not entirely their fault - their original deal was signed during the pandemic, when everyone was stuck in their homes and streamers were making bank. The environment has changed since then.

I don't think either side is right. It's not a clearcut win for them because it's a massively downgraded deal and not what they would have hoped for five years ago. But it's not a clear loss because they still have something in place. Maybe it will force them to be leaner and more creative with what they pitch?

Nothing. Royal gossip is basically all they have to sell. They can try other stuff, it'll keep them occupied but I doubt it'll ever replace what kudos and status they had.

Meghan has basically gone back to being a glorified suitcase girl with Harry in tow as added interest. What a comedown and how humiliating for him.

Hahahah funny joke. No need to project your behaviour on me, you are the one who is invested in them, from the sheer amount of comments you make about them and the time you spend doing so and the length to which h you research and read up on things about them.

Its the same deal the Obamas have? Do you think the same about their deal?

well that’s @CoffeeCantata put in her place - researching facts, who does she think she is

Yes, thanks myrtle!

Call me old-fashioned, but I do like to get my ducks in a row about these things.

As usual, I’m stung by Spectre’s cruel words.

No one knows what kind of deal either of them have, their contract conditions are confidential.

The Obama's don't appear to be desperate, the Sussex's do.

@Aur0raAustralis

I tend to agree with you and other pps that NF are really after more gossip and scandal, preferably royal. Or (and I don’t wish it, before someone accuses me) the break-up bitching.

So H and M need to rack their brains for some ideas and fast. I honestly don’t see them coming up with anything. They’ve had little success up to now and I don’t think either of them have any real interests or passions outside themselves. Polo was never going to have mass appeal and Meghan just cannot get outside herself.

Pretty much, yes

Though the Obamas have a fairly solid track record of producing some decent content (as well as some flops), but it's absolutely not their main source of income.

H&M are stuck now, basically they will have to finance and produce any material themselves before they can present it to Netflix for them to give it the go ahead or not.
That means they need ideas, money and talent. None of which they possess.

They’ll have to invest a lot of money up-front to have anything to show NF.

H won’t be able to just mutter about interviewing Putin and Kim Jong Ill and think he’s done his ‘work’, as happened with Spotify.

Get grafting and quit the grifting, H & M!

The Uganda documentary is sadly ironic when you remember that awful video of MM ignoring a bereaved mum in South Africa trying to tell her about the death of her baby from AIDS.
MM was only interested in posing for the camera.
It clearly demonstrated her true nature underneath the fake humanitarian claims.
She uses people’s suffering like a piece of jewellery or a fashionable outfit.

No. Because I know the Obama’s can deliver, as do Netflix. Just as Netflix know Harry and Meghan can’t deliver and giving them this all round face saving deal that’s not worth a cent in real terms suits Netflix and costs them nothing.

And just a reminder that a view on Netflix is classed as watching two minutes of a programme even if you then switch it off a second passed two minutes because it was a load of tripe.

I’m pretty sure Meghans Netflix viewing figures would tell the real story regarding her supposed views if they were made public but believe me when I say the majority of the viewers included in the views did not sit down and watch the series from start to finish even over a few weeks which in my mind is the real/honest measure of a successful show.

If Netflix really thought they were worth investing in, then they would have signed them up on a 'permanent' contract with set ideas on what programs they were going to produce or carried on with more WLM. They have put them on the back burner offering them just enough to hold them if anything juicy comes up.

which in my mind is the real/honest measure of a successful show.

Or if the streamer chooses to invest in a 'second series' (ie not just roll out more episodes that have already been filmed).

The proof is in the pudding.

I wonder if the Christmas special has already been recorded .