As Never the second release ...

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Wine, apricot spread and honey. I think we've had all the suggestions for names already ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14832085/amp/Meghan-Markle-new-products-rose-wine-apricot-spread.html

If she’s just selling out ten jars the business is not going to flourish so it would be interesting to know just how big the volume of sales really is.

People have been speculating that what she is really hoping for is some big monied company to buy her out for a lot of cash. This wouldn’t have occurred to me, but I can see some weight to that theory. Only thing is big monied companies would want to see the books first.

I said year’s ago they should have started a wine company when they moved to California (as in focusing all their energy on that and not bashing Harry’s family at all). Anyone know how much the wine is (I won’t be buying just curious).

I don’t think it’s anything like the Diana situation either. Diana was mostly liked and obviously achieved “sainthood” when she sadly died. She had public support and sympathy on her side. In Harry’s case the sympathy is directed much more at the Royal Family, particularly the Waleses and most especially Catherine, who seems to have had to endure the most unreasonable and petty spiteful behaviour towards them from the Sussexes (bridesmaids dresses, lipglossgate, racism, shopping trip). I don’t think the RF would be making a mistake, PR or otherwise, in leaving Harry out in the cold

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To be fair to Jamie, she suffers from Roseacia so the flushed cheeks are 'normal' for her. It why she developed It Cosmetics - I suffer from it too.

The squeaky voice, the way she screws up her face/grind inanely and odd posture, I agree, are very off putting.

The idea of an arm's length rapproachment seems feasible to me. There is something to be said about keeping your enemies close. Harry could operate at Beatrice and Eugenie levels of royalness.

What I can't see is where Meghan fits into this. She has cast the UK off like her family/friends, it has served it's purpose to her. I can't see her coming back. Which makes me think the rapprochment will be Harry only.

If Harry cameback it would be because they need money, I'm not even sure if Charles has the cash assets to fund Harry in and out of the UK and Meghan and the children in the states long term. Whilst simultaneously Meghan claiming she was providing the jam. The online abuse that Catherine would get if she was beside Harry when Meghan was not there would make Where's Kate and Kkkate seem like compliments. God knows what Camilla is meant to do. Harry does not want a seat on the eugenie and Beatrice table. Harry being back in but not in would just fuel the tabloids.

Unless they divorce, and I hope they don't, I think it would be almost worse to have Harry back regularly and Meghan staying away. That would be terrible optics. At the moment I don't see anyway back for Harry without Meghan and I don't believe she wants to come back. Long term something will probably change but not in the next five years.

Another day another video with Lili .

I think hell will freeze over before there's a rapprochement.

How can there be? Harry has done things to his family which can only be described as destructively malicious and frankly, wicked. I think this is particularly so in the case of Catherine, who was a good friend to him in the past. She must feel the betrayal at a visceral level.

He cannot be trusted in an official role - I should think that's absolutely out of the question from a security viewpoint. I think only peripheral members of the family will have any time for him and he can't be invited to family occasions like Christmas at Sandringham or Balmoral (even if he wanted to attend) because any conversations might provide further 'memoir fodder' if he felt cross and aggrieved again.

He's absolutely made his bed, and he'll have to lie on it!

You put it much better than me @CoffeeCantata !

MM and the cult of twee, channelling the Disney princess, home making, nurturing family, friends and animals.

Trying to sell crap, wrapped up in Dutchess of tweeness.

It reminds me of Diana s MIL Raine, who sold Diana & Charles merch to tourists who visited Diana s childhood home. When Diana s father died, Diana told her to leave. Raine packed her belongings in the Spencer LV suitcases, Diana removed the belonging and placed them in plastic bags and kicked her out.

All this merchandising is below the Royal Family.

No-one I know in RL gives a flying fig about Harry, his future or how his life pans out. They think he’s a dickhead. In fact I suspect he could be lost to an undone-seat-belt-related RTA, a substance accident or ‘gunplay’ and after a spate of ‘lost boy of Montecito’ retrospectives in the media which would not be particularly flattering to him, that would pretty much be that in terms of any cultural impact.

The monarchy is sewn up tight with Catherine and the three Wales children. She is extremely important to its future, and becoming more so each time H&M prove their unsuitability for official royal roles.

People don’t like emotional blackmail, lies and bullying. Harry’s steeped in them. Unlike Diana, he is perceived not as a victim but as a perpetrator.

For someone who has made such a big deal out of the washing up liquid advert, I've not seen a man in any of her products posts/promotions. It's all very trad wife.

Im thinking of writing a letter ......

Go on! Write a letter! We can all change the world! You will change the world!

Why, thank you, greendress!

I would add that I can just about see a meeting many years from now of the kind with the Duchess of Windsor in old age. It would be very sad and poignant, and these deep wounds would have to be long in the past.

They are both as bad as each other, (H & M) but Harry had far more to lose than Meghan. I think we're seeing this now. She just needs to be famous/notorious, but to operate on any level, Harry needs to be respected and seen as having integrity and dignity. I don't know how he can regain those things.

I think only peripheral members of the family will have any time for him

And not many of them. Mike Tindall has allegedly expressed his opinion of H in a forthright manner, and Zara and the King always appear very fond of each other. And if I was Mike I wouldn't want H anywhere around my children.

I didn’t realise that the Brooke Shields interview had been removed, did Brooke receive so much hate she requested the removal, does anyone know?

The Harry and wills rapprochement could be choreographed through the Spencers, at one of their family events. Thereby distancing King Charles and keeping it low key.

he can't be invited to family occasions like Christmas at Sandringham or Balmoral (even if he wanted to attend) because any conversations might provide further 'memoir fodder' if he felt cross and aggrieved again

Yes, @CoffeeCantata, the risk would always be not so much the initial period if Harry was glad to be back among what he knows, but what he'd do the first time something didn't quite suit ... and he's already amply demonstrated what happens then

"Agreements" are all very well, but however damaged he's still a person in his own right and I can't quite see how anyone could stop him spouting off again

Diana was hugely popular but her behaviour in latter years, particularly with married men, was beginning to erode that.

I suspect, had she lived, her global platform would have diminished somewhat - but she would always be the mother of the King, and to my knowledge was always supportive of the monarchy.

This is what Meghan didn't understand - she could never compete, because she could never be in that position.

I think it’s more likely that William doesn’t want rapprochement and Charles does

I suspect, had [Diana] lived, her global platform would have diminished somewhat

The al Fayed connection would have done her no good if it had continued. Wouldn't be surprised if the security services had concerns about that, and about W&H being too closely associated with them.

Allegedly the podcast host was sent a legal letter asking for it to be taken down. That’s just rumour obviously. But we have heard that the Sussexes like to pressure people to resolve their PR issues (like the Sentabale chair being asked by Harry to make a statement to publicly support Meghan) so it’s not impossible.

Diana had more hard power (mother of future monarch) and soft (general sympathy and goodwill, even if it wobbled at times) than Meghan could ever dream of. Edward Duke of Windsor had the past glamour of being an actual undisputed King before Abdication and at least in earlier decades there was more of a perception of "love story for the ages" and less "Nazi sympathising liability verging on actual traitor" which came out fully later.

The real popularity Harry had has disappeared at least in the UK due to his own doing and he's simply not that important in the US. While I'm not suggesting he's anything like his dreadful Uncle Andrew, there was a time crowds of girls were screaming for him like they did for Harry and William. Age fades that and unless there is something solid behind it, hard work and avoiding scandal being a start, the world of the Royal also rans is not a happy one. Anne and Edward have managed their situations very well because they actually understood their roles and made a good job of them but there are a lot of casualties over the centuries and the worst mistake (IMO) anyone can make in this situation is overestimating their own importance and everlasting cachet.

Diana grew up in public, something Meghan can never replicate. Over a period of 15+ years, she transformed herself from 'Shy Di' nursery teacher from the shires to a powerful woman of immense glamour on the international stage. Meghan never stood a chance.

Wasn't the host one of Diana's bridesmaids? India something? I don't really understand why anyone would capitulate to a legal letter about non defamatory comments made by a guest. Brooke Shields was simply giving her opinion that the story was bringing the energy of the panel down. Also, an interesting question about the jurisdiction of the platform and whether US 1st Amendment laws applied to it.

I have no doubt the SS went after both host and guest big time. When will these loons stop, I wonder?