Uncle Dickie, Charles uncle

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Daily Mail and other 'media' coverage of the royal family are often quoted on here as being in the know. Their reporting is much discussed and taken as factual. Why have they failed to cover, along with other British media, the news of the past few days about Mountbatten? The allegations have been much talked about for years and now we hear first hand from those who suffered.
Perhaps this explains the reluctance to push Andrew too much?
What other skeletons are being hidden?
Have just read some of Andrew Smyths, one of those abused, story and it is truly heartbreaking.
I have tried to post a screenshot of Suzanne Breen's article in the Belfast Telegraph on here, not sure if it is posting but well worth checking out.
There are other articles posted elsewhere.

A few weeks ago I was at an open coffee morning with our local MP, police reps, ward counsellors etc

I got chatting to an elderly man next to me. We started on how the area had changed since he was a lad. Then he moved in to the issue he wanted to speak to them all about.

He said that his sister and brother in law had persuaded his mother to leave their money to his sister and disinherit him. The more he talked the more of a conspiracy it was.

It went to court and the judge ruled against him - the judge was part of the conspiracy. His solicitors were part of the conspiracy as well, because they did some work for the Council... I never worked out how the Council were involved and cared one way or the other. The newspapers wouldn't publish his accusations, and were part of the conspiracy.

Etc etc, everyone who disagreed with him were part of a grand conspiracy.

Maybe there was undue influence, followed by a massive conspiracy. And maybe his mother had a reason for leaving whatever she had to his sister rather than him.

I find it bizarre when the media refer to him as "QEII's second cousin" rather than Philip's Uncle. That's who he was rather than her distant rellie - Philip's uncle who basically became his father figure when his parents pretty much abandoned him.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1360425/prince-philip-news-the-crown-netflix-lord-mountbatten-ira-royal-family-latest-spt

For the majority of his childhood, his other uncle looked after Philip during the school holidays.
Dickie was often away on active duty, and an unearthed letter he sent to his wife reveals that he only started to get to know his nephew when he was a teenager.
He wrote: “Philip was here all last week doing his entrance exams for the navy. He has his meals with us and he really is killingly funny. I like him very much.”
Dickie only stepped into the picture upon his brother’s death, when Philip was already 17.

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Dickie is thought to have been a much stronger influence on Prince Charles, who looked to him as a substitute grandfather and for wisdom on who to take as his royal bride.

I know it's the express but I've read similar - the crown view of their relationship is not entirely accurate.

Still I'm surpised Mountbatten was not prosecuted or that this allegations were not invesigated much more than they apparently were. Though sadly this isn't uncommon though it should be - Savil (also apparently close to Charles ) and Rotherham scandel and other similar scandal sadly show.

Imo the evidence provided in the article is even more damning.

. FBI files on Lord M were destroyed after Lownie asked for them. Why? We know the ones he did manage to see contained allegations of M's paedophilia by one of the Queen Mother's ladies-in-waiting, Lady Decies.

The car logs for Classiebawn in the years when abuse allegedly took place at the boathouse have not been released. Why?

Lownie says he hopes to do a later edition of the book w extra material he was legally advised to take out, as well as extra interviews he's now done which also allege paedophilia.

I wonder what kind of legal intervention he feared? Maybe it implicated people who are still alive, as well? M's daughter Pamela is still alive, in her 90s. Was she going to threaten legal action? On what grounds? Or was someone else angry about this? Perhaps even our King, who M was 'honorary grandfather' to ofc?...

I suspect much more will come out in the coming years...I don't think it can be hidden much longer. I think it will severely damage the monarchy, rightly so.

I'm sorry but that's wholly incorrect. Lownie & others have produced a v interesting analysis of the Ms' involvement in Partition. M made bad mistakes. The issue w Edwina was having an affair w Nehru & hated Jinnah. M encouraged the affair actually, he saw it as an honour. He did not try & rush away, the opposite. There is widespread belief now that Edwina & M's closeness to Nehru affected the details of Partition in Nehru's favour. Partition was a tragedy for many reasons, but this may well have been a factor.

Even now many documents to do w the Ms' involvement in Partition are held back, as it's believed this would upset India & Pakistan.

Edwina was a v unfaithful wife. However, on balance I like her bc she improved the lives of many w her humanitarian work, the strain of which eventually killed her. Thus should not be forgotten just bc her personal life was salacious. M on the other hand....

Jinnah? I knew she had an affair with Nehru - which I’ve always understood Mountbatten was OK with.

Did she also have a relationship with Jinnah?

Yes - it does seem to have been very prevalent across society. The writer ANWilson recently told of his time at prep school in Malvern where several boys were assaulted and even raped by the Head. What made it worse was that the Head’s wife had groomed and procured the boys for her husband.

it just shows how important safeguarding protocols are, however OTT the sometimes seem.

No, that poster was v misinformed. Jinnah was a morally strict figure who loved his wife, he and Edwina couldn't stand each other. The issue was that she deeply loved Nehru & he loved her (it would've been a great love story if she hadn't been the married Vicereine ☹️) & she was influencing M to favour Nehru. As I said above, M was proud of her relationship w Nehru. M also liked Nehru as they shared the posh English education background, & some speculate that M was also in love w Nehru, but that is just speculation AFAIK.

I recommend Lownie's book & Alex von Tunzelmann's Indian Summer on these issues.

Apologies. I got it wrong. I read it somewhere and got the names wrong!
I will read the book recommended by @AliasGrace47 as it sounds like an interesting topic actually.

No worries! I thought - blimey, where did she find the time?😳

Charles took marital advice from him as he did Jimmy Saville.

Yes, and spiritual advice from Laurens ver der Post (would you allow your impressionable son to wander alone with such a man? ) and doubtless Peter Ball as well, even to the point of providing him with a house and offering to "see off" his victim

All of which is why I wonder about Charles's repeated attractions to people like this, especially bearing in mind that much better men would be glad to flock to his side (though never ask me why)

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That's ok- sorry my post was a bit sharp, I'm v into Indian history & I'm just a bit prickly on this topic bc online so many people have agendas & deny the evidence, eg. Indians blame it all on Mountbatten, Hindus blame Jinnah, Muslims Nehru, English refuse to blame Mountbatten...so I'm a bit oversensitive on it. I totally get mixing up names!

Personally I think all 3 men had good intentions but were in different ways blind to the dangers of their approaches.

Hope you enjoy the books. Indian Summer is a really good summary of the different views on what happened, & the evidence. The chapters on Partition are v hard to read tho
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@GarlicPile "Mountbatten seems to have been a monumental prat in every way. This somewhat informs my opinion of his biggest fan, our esteemed king."

@Puzzledandpissedoff "Yes, and spiritual advice from Laurens ver der Post (would you allow your impressionable son to wander alone with such a man? ) and doubtless Peter Ball as well, even to the point of providing him with a house and offering to "see off" his victim.

Agree wholeheartedly with all of the above. I'm a republican but surely you don't need to be to recognise the awfulness, on so many levels, of this family.

Sorry, above post was to @RainbowBagels

Yes it's very difficult to get any perspective or truth on the whole Empire period in India because so many views are entrenched, sectarianism, complicity ifcsome of the population, the maharajahs involvement etc. I'll definitely look that book up.

Aha....this is important bc to M's semi-official biographer Brian Hoey, Evans stated that 'Absolute rubbish...men and boys weren't his thing at all', which was used as a strong piece of evidence bc he was the valet. If this was a lie, another part of the house of cards comes tumbling down...

BTW, I remember you said on another thread that Evans told you that Edwina had unusual tastes...I knew she was v promiscuous tho.. some bios say it was more a search for closeness after a horrible childhood where her mother died, father was absent, stepmum cruel & school bullying bc she was Jewish, & that she wasn't that into sex. I doubt this, tho I'm sure she was in part searching for intimacy. The affair w Nehru was clearly a true marriage of minds, not driven by lust.

Also the fact that her husband seems to have had some kind of sexual issue, whether closeted gay (OK ofc) or paedophile (which I suspect he was). This may explain part of it too..

Despite her wild sex life & neglect of her daughters, I still like Edwina a lot bc of her humanitarianism.. I also tbh find it hard to feel sorry for M due to his probable crimes.

Yep, it's like trying to undo a Gordian knot! Fascinating tho, and it still impacts thousands today, for better and worse...

Edwina was certainly very...energetic..
Her housekeeper said during her worst years in the 20s:
‘Mr Gray is in the drawing room, Mr Sandford is in the library, Mr Phillips is in the boudoir, Senor Portago in the anteroom . . . and I simply don’t know what to do with Mr Molyneux!’
Reading the bio, her jealousy of any rival for her husband's affection(including her children!) , her simultaneous cries for attention w affairs that obvs further pushed him away (despite the sexual element, she seems to have lost interest if he wasn't reacting to them) , her inability to discuss feelings all point to badly healed wounds of childhood which she responded to in selfish & unhealthy ways. Her husband was v demanding & emotionally awkward, it was a match v well suited in some ways, but terribly in others.

But you have these qualities coexisting w a woman brave enough to risk her life in putting down mobs during the height of the Partition riots. That's what fascinated me about both Mountbattens, they were either extremely bad or extremely good. Or so I thought when I read the bio....until I came to the chapter that revealed the paedophilia, which to me negates the good M did.

Anthony Daly is a man who claims to have been sex trafficked for many UK establishments men as a young man. Some claim he is lying or exaggerating, but Mr Lownie (who I know a bit via uni) trusts him so I trust him at least partly. If a fraction of what he says is true, the consequences should be astronomical

Below is a blog which lists the powerful figures he alleges to be paedophile in his memoir Playland/The Abuse of Power. It's a horrifyingly huge list if true..

Trigger as the article does reference v disturbing things about CSA(not graphic)

https://scepticpeg.wordpress.com/2018/03/21/playland-secrets-of-a-forgotten-scandal-new-book-by-anthony-daly/

@IdaGlossop💯 this. We’re also gaslit into believing that they’re ‘slimming down’ yet they’re getting millions. Obscene.

Yes he wasn't really royal just a distant relative.

I think Philip pretty well brought himself up. Probably why he loved his boarding school.

It says he was 20. Where does paedophilia come into it? Not that abusing a 20 year old is ok.

The ring wasn't just trafficking 20yos. According to his account, it trafficked all ages to as young as five. PIE links everywhere. If a fraction is true, it's horrific.