Do you think Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are royal, or royalty?

[Onlyonekenobe]

"Being royal": I wonder what that means.

A person can marry in and become uber-royal (Prince Philip).

A royal-born can marry out and remain royal (Charlotte Casiraghi, Eugenie/Zara/Peter etc).

Is Mike Tindall royal? If so, why? If not, how royal is Meghan Markle (asking about her specifically given how she's pushing Meghan Sussex now)? Is Harry royal after his disloyalty to and disdain for the wearers of the crown and the nation's subjects (reverse-treason?!)?

Personally I don't think Mike Tindall or Meghan Markle are royal: they're married to members of the royal family, can become divorced and would then be neither members of the family nor royal. Had she lived, I think Diana wouldn't be deemed royal today, notwithstanding being the future kings' mother and grandmother.

Just pondering. I think royalty is a matter of royal acts and service to subjects, rather than a matter of fact. I don't think the Duke or Windsor was royal after abdication (certainly not his wife).

Perhaps getting rid of the HRH thing altogether might help.

You'd then get individuals born of the blood who bore the weight of public duty, others who just turned up to e. g. Sandringham at Christmas, and some who did both as and when they felt like it. And some who sloped off to California.

They'd all just be, then, members of the ruling family, then, with us the public deciding how much ( or little) respect we gave then depending on how well they served the country and the Monarchy.

Personally, the fewer royals turning up to open hospitals and gracing our fetes and celebrations the better.

Neither. They fucked off.

Now they are grifters.

I agree with your musings there in general.
QE11 said ( I think itvwas her ) that the monarchy has to ve seen to be believed. So she had as many of them out Being Seen as possible.

But that was the 1950s. No mass media like we have today; and a deferential populance.

Now, with phone cameras and with automatic respect for 'royal' no longer a thing... perhaps less is more? Just open Parliament, shake whomever's hand the government tells you to, but otherwise don't force yourself on us?

As for William's line on not being particularly religious? A HoS who doesn't believe in mumbo jumbo and might tell the Archbishop of Canterbury where to stick his annointment. Progress!

No such thing.

It's just something that was created by my forebears. They stole the land, made up the laws, taxed everybody for their own benefit, and convinced everybody they were special.

And one thanks them for all that. 👍👀

FML

🤣👏

Restricting HRH to those in direct line would make sense.
The rest of them would then have the titles of birth, but with the same social status as e. g. the descendants of Russian and French royalty.
Edited to add: sorry, this got posted to thevwrong PP.

Except that, since Charles 1 that isn't the case. The RF since C1 lost his head have been seriously reined in by Parliament, and actually fired and replaced as Parliament saw fit since. (The last instance being 1936.)

Their lands were 'confiscated' and now belong to the nation and are administered for them to provide them with a monitored allowance.

No-one, since C1, has regarded them as special in the sense of ' chosen by God'. I will allow that a lot of lads died in 1914-1918 for King and country, but I think we've moved on from that mindset now.

Imo Harry is still of royal blood but disgraced so not of royal standing. His wife is not royal - a commoner.

Their children are not royal, but their df was a prince. So if in the uk would be accepted into royal circles, but as Americans, this ship has sailed.

William is royal, and of royal standing. Kate will become royal when crowned. Their dc are royal.

Imo anyway:)

I agree. Zara and Peter are Royal despite not having a royal title

Neither. Harry gave it up and she never was royalty.

Commoners now imo.

No. They stepped away from royalty.

I still see Harry as royal. Andrew is also royal, they are both close relatives of the monarch. You don’t have to like them and they don’t need to be nice they just need to be the son/brother of the King. Back in the day when they all married members of their family (cousins) and members of other royal houses all the spouses were also royal. Being royal isn’t automatically a good thing though, throughout history many members of the family have been absolutely horrid. I don’t see people like MM or Mike Tinders as royal, MM spent about 2 minutes in the family and MT is suitably distant from the Monarch to not be royal (the King’s nieces husband with no blood connection to the monarch).

No. Particularly Markle. She's a hypocritical hanger-on at best.

He's useless and should live in shame for how he distressed the late Queen at the end of her life.

Very well said!

They are nothing but grifting poseurs now.

Just my personal view (I'm not a constitutional expert!)...

If you're born into the RF, you're royal. If you marry into the RF and serve in an official capacity, you're royal.

If you relinquish a royal role like Harry (or the Duke of Windsor in the past) then as the son/brother of the monarch, you are obviously still royal but have no official status. Meghan was briefly a royal but the Great Flounce cancelled that out. The tacky woman becomes less and less royal with every passing day!

No they aren't, well not true princesses, in the UK you have to be born a princess to be princess X Y Z.

That's why if they use their 'princess' title they don't use their own name, princess William and princess Henry are equivalent to 'Mrs' just that you are married to a prince.

I do think the 'work' aspect is relevant to a certain extent. I don't think Anne's husband does any royal opening things and visiting things he just goes along to family events. I don't even remember his name, but I don't think he is royal, even though he is married to the monarch's sister.

MM is married to a royal prince and the mother of royalty, so yes I see her as royalty.

Didn’t Margaret say something like
“my children aren’t royal, their aunt just happens to be Queen” ?

Possibly on that basis I’d say Peter, Zara & married ins aren’t viewed as royal if grandchildren of the monarch aren’t viewed as royal.

Meghan couldn’t get out of there fast enough so no I don’t count her as royal.

i find it interesting. forgetting who is liked and who isn't.
I don't see tindal guy or the york husbands as royal (or the stepchild)
same with peters wife.
i see Kate and Meghan as royal wives, same as Camilla.
the whole thing is a bit daft. it was high lighted for me by Theresa May the then prime minister, curtseying to william.

That was hilarious, she nearly fell to her knees!

I have to say calling Meghan just 'Markle' is insulting, whatever you think of her. Perhaps we need to call Kate.. 'Middleton'. No different.

Mike Tindall and Beatrice and Eugenie's husbands aren't royal, but I'm sure they like to be under the royal umbrella with all the benefits that gives.

There is a difference between the Princess of Wales (serving in an official role and consort of the heir to the throne) and Meghan, who has flounced off with a massive fuss, trashing the RF as a family and an institution on her way.

I don't think she can by any stretch be considered royal now, but it'll be mighty entertaining watching her try to hold on with her bare fingers. Harry is royal by birth, for what that's worth outside the UK (er...absolutely nothing...but who's going to tell him?)

I have to say calling Meghan just 'Markle' is insulting, whatever you think of her. Perhaps we need to call Kate.. 'Middleton'. No different.

Oh, very different! But I don't call Meghan 'Markle' even though I am extremely critical of her. I might call her Meghan Markle. I will not call her Meghan Sussex unless she can show me where that county is on a map without Googling it first.

Well no not really.

Meghan has trashed the RF. Kate hasn’t.

One works for the institution/country. One couldn’t wait to get out of here fast enough and insulting the people who’d wished them well.

Completely different.

Nope. Definitely not. Shameful behaviour they should lose titles.