Harry v NGN 2

[mainecooncatonahottinroof]

I don't think we're done talking - and I never start threads!

As you were!

that includes for the first time an admittance that freelance journalists

I don't think there was any mention at all of freelance journalists in the statement.

an extensive public apology that includes for the first time an admittance that freelance journalists working directly for The Sun acted unlawfully

Would you mind giving the source of that, ie the specific reference to which you refer about 'journalists' at the Sun, as opposed to 'private investigators', and actually quoting it for us? That would probably be most helpful at this juncture. Thanks very much in advance. I feel there must be cross-purposes going on somehow.

@JoyousGreyOrca you might want to remind this one about childish comments

Many people suffer awful childhood trauma and don't flunk out of school. It's not a given.
True. But many also fail. Also True. Both exist.

you Sussex fans
I am not sure why you consider me fan? I do not see what others see in this discussion and I like to argue my point.
I do not buy merch, follow them on line etc which I think "fans" might do?
I would hope you would not characterize me as fan in order to depreciate my point?

As usual, you Sussex fans attribute William's different reaction to Diana's death to anything but the man's own character and intelligence,
This is very odd - I did in fact acknowledge all of that in my post including the fact that I am glad for him that he did well.

It's not a healthy attitude for this man to be still dwelling on his mother as fiercely as he does all these years later
The grief of losing a parent when young suddenly and violently (car crash as against a heart attack for example) has a very specific "career path" (the grief that is). Unfortunately for me, I know it all too well. And you do focus. Especially at time of emotional change - becoming a parent, getting married and so on. It is pretty normal.

and to fail in life because of it.
But he is not. By any metric.

Okay private investigators working for The Sun.

You can try and sneer me away all you want but the fact is they did not have to offer any money.

If they wanted a trial they could have had one.

They could have offered a penny as a settlement.

They dd not.

Why?

Bizarre to see some arguing that 12 year old Prince Harry would be unaffected by his mother dying in a car crash.

@andIsaid I would imagine that they didn't want to spend anymore money, I would also think that they knew there was guilt

Harry could also have went to trial as he said he was going to do on many occasions

You know I cannot argue that.

I do notice that we have high standards for what he should and shouldn't have said.

Do we apply those same standards to NGN?

And if NGN, and most big corporates, use the law as a weapon against us, citizens, then we need to pay attention and advocate for change.

Again, if NGN are honorable and have nothing to hide GO TO COURT.

Don't payoff, which actually means threaten bankruptcy, on citizens who want behavior corrected - Dame Lawerence, Grant, Watson etc.

At the end of the day the only one that can really decide if it was a win or not is Harry, only he knows what he really wanted to achieve

I do feel it was quite a spectacular volte-face from him and it would be interesting to know the reasons for this, I doubt we will find out though

Okay private investigators working for The Sun.

As in, we outsourced and commissioned the crime, we paid for the crime, we hid the crime but we did not DO the crime.

@andIsaid I believe most of us here think NGN have gotten away with having to face their accusers in court, because they have the most money to throw at it, it's despicable in so many ways.

However their statement clearly lays the blame at the door of private investigators, who were not in their employ. Their statement basically says, yes, we hired private investigators who used unlawful methods to provide us with information, we are sorry they did that and we are sorry we used the information they unlawfully gathered, that is not an admission of guilt on their part, they are pushing the culpability on to others, who are outside their 'domain' (can't think of the word I want to use).

That would be for a court to decide surely? You do know you do not have to do unlawful activity with your own hands to be held criminally responsible?

I was being facetious!

Sorry.

I do think it is a work around for them though.

Thank you.

They are children. Nobody is assuming any of that.

Any one of them could throw a hissy fit and do a Harry. Louis might decide to become a hippy and run off to join a commune. Charlotte could eschew the whole thing and become a Richard Attenborough. George might join the circus.

Are you out of your mind - "gleaned for NGN which is our major source of information about him"??? What a pile of horseshit. Harry has been in the public eye since he was born, and of late he has given interviews, written a book and made various public statements and appearances. WTAF does that have to do with NGN? Wise up!

Even more bizarre to see the dismissal of 15 year old Prince William's grief and suffering.

Diana had two sons.

You're the only one calling him thick.

It seems you understand him more than most.

I did not say that so please do not pretend I did.
But I do see people arguing that 12 year old Prince Harry should not have been traumatised.
Both boys will have been traumatised. 12 year old Harry and 15 year old William.

Again, if NGN are honorable and have nothing to hide GO TO COURT.

They possibly do have something that leaves them open to losing in a court case, hence why they have thrown billions at putting a stop to anyone taking it further. No one has managed to expose them, Harry didn't either.

*David not Richard of course! My brain said David and my fingers went Richard!!

Harry supporters always behave as if William wasn't bereaved in the same way!

Both boys were traumatically bereaved.
Obviously as they are different individuals, Diana's death will have affected each differently. I have seen this play out in a friends family where the different children react differently. And age can have an impact as well as can the level of support each child receives.
William and Harry were both at boarding school, so how supportive the school and friends were will have also had an impact.
But obviously both boys would be traumatised by it.

@mainecooncatonahottinroof And please do not stereotype me. I am not a Harry supporter.