Harry v NGN 2

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I don't think we're done talking - and I never start threads!

As you were!

I agree with you.
Who cares if you like Harry, William, Catherine, Meghan? The truth is none of us know these people. All we are commenting on is their public image. I might really like all of them if I knew them in real life, or really dislike them. But I do not know them, so it matters not a jot.

What matters is actually holding the press accountable. And yes I am pleased various people are trying to do this including Lord Tom Watson and Prince Harry.

Perhaps get some sleep?

And truthfully I fail to understand why so many of you are defending NGN who have hounded lots of innocent victims over the years all to get a good entertainment story. That includes making up things. NGN have admitted they made up a story about Lord Tom Watson.

I hope none of you are ever high profile victims and experience exactly how the media operate and how they do behave unlawfully, unethically and make things up. And how there is no real consequence for doing so.

This is why Tom Watson and Prince Harrys settlement and public apology is massive. And they are both saying they are going to carry on campaigning to stop the media behaving in these terrible ways.

Tom Watson again, the Tom Watson who in the say so of Carl beech ( now incarcerated for pedophila and wasting police time ) used his position to accuse his opponents ( including a man on his deathbed with cancer ) of being pedophiles in parliament.
Upon investigation the police discovered that all the men were completely innocent but discovered that Carl beech wasn't.
He has never apologised.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/24/police-request-transcripts-from-prince-harry-case-against-owner-of-the-sun

How interesting. Thank you for posting about a potential police investigation.

I would be very interested in learn more about Rebekah Brooke’s potential alleged involvement or not.

Especially, as has been aired on these threads many times, we all know who was by her side at the end of her trial.

According to an Evening Standard article in 2014, the friends who “had Rebekah’s back” throughout were none other than Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan! Funny that!

Both known contacts of Camilla incidentally. It has been reported many times that Jeremy and Camilla shared crafty fags together.

Clarkson said “he was beyond ecstatic” that Rebekah Brookes had been acquitted.

Morgan said “he was so happy for my friends Rebekah and Charlie”

And who were the prominent journalists who wrote and said the most vile things about Harry and Meghan … ah…let me see …?

“What a wicked web we weave” are the words that immediately spring to mind.

I don’t know for sure of course but I am beginning to think that Harry had v good cause to feel bull-dozed. No wonder he bit back so fiercely.

https://hackinginquiry.org/the-triumph-of-cynicism-the-suppression-of-leveson-ii/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/camilla-jeremy-clarkson-piers-mogan-lunch-meghan-b2248431.html

@jeffgoldblum So what? Do you think the media should be able to lie about people and behave illegally and unethically towards them depending on how good a person you think they are?

We don't do this with other crimes. Oh its okay police that I burgled their house, but they have had multiple affairs so its okay.

NGN have admitted acting illegally towards Lord Tim Watson and publishing an untrue story.

And you do understand trying to defend the media's behaviour in this manner, is simply writing the media a blank cheque to do whatever the hell they like?

I'm not defending the press but I'm certainly not happy with people using Tom Watson as some defender for truth and justice!
He's not .
Use someone more moral to further your argument.

Two quotes from the above posts, back to back:

I hope none of you are ever high profile victims and experience exactly how the media operate and how they do behave unlawfully, unethically and make things up. And how there is no real consequence for doing so.

followed immediately by:

According to an Evening Standard article in 2014, the friends who “had Rebekah’s back” throughout were none other than Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan! Funny that!
Both known contacts of Camilla incidentally. It has been reported many times that Jeremy and Camilla shared crafty fags together.

Well there’s no real consequence for making things up on a discussion site either, is there?

None @Serenster , double standards abound sadly.

Please clarify which things have been made up?

“I don’t know for sure of course” is the dead giveaway that your post is speculation (i.e. you made it up)

The US media is reporting that one of the reasons Harry took a settlement is that if he leaves the US he is afraid he won't be let back in. There's a new sheriff running immigration in the US and the questions surrounding his VISA are still unresolved. We'll see if that's true when Invictus comes around since it's in Canada.

Also, the settlement is subject to the highest rates of US (37%) and Cali (13.3%) tax. Only settlements received for bodily injury/related health costs are exempt from tax in the US. He can keep the money in the UK, but the minute he spends any of it in the US it becomes subject to tax.

US media is also reporting that H's legal costs are around 7 million pounds and the settlement is believed to be 10 million pounds. Leaving 3 million to split with the other litigant. 1.5 million pounds subject to 50.3% tax, leaving him with less than 750,000 pounds. Yep--huge victory, that.

How does anyone know what the financial settlement was?

Only a small number of people will be privy to this information and by law, they cannot divulge it. Of course there could be 'leaks' but how reliable are they? One side has an incentive to exaggerate the amount, the other to play it down.

I don't understand the issue of Harry not being allowed back into America either. Surely as the spouse of an American citizen he has legal residence? Besides, Trump has way more important things in his inbox than the 5th in line to the British throne and won't want a potential diplomatic incident with a close ally.

Excuse me Serenster that was NOT the quote you chose when you made the accusation of lying.

You quoted two posts together from entirely separate postées , one of whom is me.

And you’ve accused us of lying.

Here are the articles backing up my post.

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/whos-got-rebekah-s-back-old-friends-rally-round-the-brooks-family-after-not-guilty-verdict-in-hacking-trial-9561894.html

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/camillas-country-life-jeremy-clarkson-7330205.amp

Please don’t try and change the goal posts now.

Drawing reasonable conclusions is not making things up!

Ànd unlike you making ungrounded accusations, I deliberately use a phrase like “ I don’t know for sure of course” to highlight when I am speculating.

Edited : I find it interesting that you use a cheap shot like that instead of addressing the actual context contained within my post.

Especially when it comes from a poster like you who purports to be objective and rely on facts.

Andtheweaselgoespop56, please* *do share with us a source for your allegation that Camilla, through her alleged friendship with Jeremy and Piers Morgan and their connection with Rebekah Brook was connected with the Sun’s coverage of Prince Harry?

This is what I'm thinking 🤔 , surely after marrying an American citizen you get a green card don't you?

What on earth has Jeremy Clarkson got to do with it? Seems quite the reach.

Is this a 🐿️?

Yes, and he has two American children and has been resident in California for over 4 years. And obviously he's rich so not putting any burden on state finances.

No way is Trump going to refuse entry to the son of King Charles. That's even if it's in his powers which I'm not sure it is.

Well that's what I thought too @IcedPurple ! , I can't see any reason that he would be deported!
And frankly I'd rather he stayed over there! 🤣

Jeremy clarkson @IAmATorturedPoet ?
I think I've missed something here .

At this point Harry is probably on a Green Card which gives permanent resident status. His path to green card was either through his spouse or potentially via a different visa category that granted his initial stay.

But your green card can be revoked if it turns out you lied on your application to enter the country about certain things - crimes / drug use etc.

After Harry admitted drug use in Spare an organization in the USA decided to try to gain access to Harry’s documentation to see if he lied on the application.

Unlikely it will come to anything though because Spare isn’t proof of anything. There’s so many factual mistakes/poor memories from Harry that he just has to say he was making it up for the drama in Spare if he indeed was caught in a lie about drug use on the forms.

Having gone through this process myself it isn’t as simple as automatically getting a green card when marrying an American citizen, unfortunately.

So many of my friends and relatives could not understand why I had to spend the whole of my first year of marriage living in a different country to my DH because our spousal visa took that long to process.

You have to have a medical too at a specific clinic in London - they X-ray your lungs to check for TB - make you strip down to your underwear and even do a quick genital check to make sure you’re not posing as the wrong gender!

Then you go to the Embassy in your country for an interview - if you are British then the interview is very simple and easy - for some other countries it can be a real grilling. Many people get denied or delayed for years.

Harry obviously probably had a VIP version of this experience - and that’s partly why someone is gunning for his application documents to see if he had special treatment.

Interesting @wordler ! , I must admit I don't know much ( if anything) about it , I'm embarrassed to admit I was using 'green card' the movie with andi macdowel as reference! 😳🤣🤣🤣

I didn’t say it was specifically through the Sun’s coverage. I said iI would be very interested to know about any further alleged involvement by Rebekah Brookes or not. .

I then referred to a very interesting set of circumstancial evidence backed up by journalists other than just myself.

First that close friends of Rebekah Brookes, who gave her the most support during her trial, were the very journalists who wrote and said the vilest things about H & M?

Remember the vile misogynistic words of Jeremy Clarkson about MM being paraded through the streets naked, published by the Sun in December 2022, which was criticised by the Press Standards Committee for spreading "dangerous conspiracy theories and misogyny"

That is not just making stuff up!

Also that Camilla is a known friend of Jeremy. That is not making stuff up. That is widely reported.

Also that Camilla invited Jeremy and Piers to a press lunch the day BEFORE the launch of the last three episodes of H&M Netflix doc.

And the day AFTER Jeremy wrote the vile article.

It’s all backed up here in this Independent article.

The timings are interesting!

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/camilla-jeremy-clarkson-piers-mogan-lunch-meghan-b2248431.html

That’s not made up.

After that I left it for everyone else to draw their own conclusions about why Harry felt so bull-dozed.

I didn’t accuse Calilla directly, it was you who did that, I merely laid out the evidence that is publically available to date via Google.

@jeffgoldblum you are implying that it does not matter that Lord Tom Watson forced NGN to admit it behaved unlawfully and published a totally false story about him. You are implying if you do anything wrong in your life, then anyone is able to commit any crime against you with impunity.