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IAmATorturedPoet · 02/02/2025 10:36

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 02/02/2025 10:30

Yes I’d agree to some extent that this is coming out now because the Queen has died. But I doubt it would have come out without Charles or William’s agreement, so I wonder if they, like us, also don’t think much of him.

This is a good point and actually could work to KC and PW advantage.

Serenster · 02/02/2025 10:39

I find it interesting that all these things about Andrew are coming out now. It's almost as if no one wanted to upset the late Queen but that protection is now withdrawn.

I don’t the timing is due to deference of the Queen. The Virginia Giuffre photo was published while she was alive after all. It’s just that coincidentally two ongoing court cases (Jes Staley’s challenge of the FCA’s decision to fine him and ban him from working in Financial Services; and Yang Tengbo’s challenge of the Immigration Tribunal banning him from the UK) have both reached the stage where some of the evidence is publicly disclosed. Unfortunately for Andrew, both cases included damaging correspondence from him. What terrible bad luck for him, eh? 🤣

The Sunday Times article says Andrew was in almost daily contact with Yang Tengbo for almost five months. Why? That does seem very odd. I’m also curious about the Eurasia Investment Fund that the article says Andrew was discussing with him. What is that and why does Andrew have an interest in it? Lots of questions not yet answered.

Also just a note on timing, Yang Tengbo was stopped at Heathrow on counter-terrorism charges in November 2021. The infamous News night interview was 2019 - following which we are told Andrew withdrew from public life. Interesting that he was still trying to to get things off the ground behind the scenes in those two years….

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/02/2025 10:44

Jacquette · 02/02/2025 02:43

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-s-pitch-palace-was-bad-news-for-businesses/

@Puzzledandpissedoff

That is nearly unbelievable. How did any of them think this is okay? (Rhetorical question) And then the last paragraph - years later ‘they’ are trying to cover some of it up by disappearing part of the contract.

Standard practice I'm afraid, Jacquette; lie, attempt to distract with a "better" story, lean on whoever's likely to reveal details and if all else fails seal the records

As for the many questions about why "they" thought this was acceptable, they probably knew perfectly well it wasn't - but given the utter corruption which has leaked from just the few pitiful details we're allowed they probably appreciate knowing that they too could have a similar opportunity to hide

EdithWeston · 02/02/2025 10:53

Extiainoiapeial · 02/02/2025 10:31

he worked for - but did not receive a salary from - the government body UK Trade & Investment (UKTI), which reports jointly to the Foreign Office and the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills

Apparently. So BBC news article says

Thanks!

So FCDO won't hold the key papers.

It'll be the (now defunct) UKTI which became the (now defunct) Department for International Trade DIT, which became the Department for Business and Trade DBT.

Gosh that's a lot of re-orgs. I wonder (thinking of Sir Humphrey) how much got "lost" with each one? (Not just thinking on Andrew on that)

Serenster · 02/02/2025 10:56

Based on personal experience, EdithWeston, all that actually changes is the name (and the logo and email addresses etc!). All the people and the records and processes and the like all stay the same…

Tomatotater · 02/02/2025 12:24

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 02/02/2025 00:07

He's about to turn 65 - that's hardly one foot in the grave territory!!! How ageist!

And hus parents lived into their 90's. We could be stuck with him for another 30 years!

MrsLeonFarrell · 02/02/2025 14:08

@Serenster

"Interesting that he was still trying to to get things off the ground behind the scenes in those two years…."

I would bet good money he is still trying to get things off the ground behind the scenes and wants his patronages back. He seems to have no comprehension at all that the vast majority of people think he is an arrogant, entitled idiot and are glad he has no public role. I'd love to see him prosecuted for treason but I'm sure he is too thick and self involved to have been a useful source (assuming the security services were dumb enough to give him useful information which they aren't).

vandel · 02/02/2025 14:55

Not one of that family will rat on the other no matter what. Charles hasn't evicted him yet from RL, and I know the excusers will talk about leases and whatnot. He is the fkn KING fgs, he could if he wanted to. I'm getting sick of the lot of them. We haven't a bloody clue what they are up to at all either morally or financially.

And what was that about the King returning from Qatar or wherever in the ME with a plastic/paper bag full of cash. If you read that about anyone else you would be incredulous, and aren't there Customs rules about the max cash that can be carried across borders or something?

Anyway on we go. The lips are zipped and not much we can do except keep paying for these parasites.

Serenster · 02/02/2025 15:17

And what was that about the King returning from Qatar or wherever in the ME with a plastic/paper bag full of cash. If you read that about anyone else you would be incredulous, and aren't there Customs rules about the max cash that can be carried across borders or something?

Yes, there are. So it’s lucky that the story you’ve just posted is completely imaginary then, isn’t it?

vandel · 02/02/2025 15:28

Serenster · 02/02/2025 15:17

And what was that about the King returning from Qatar or wherever in the ME with a plastic/paper bag full of cash. If you read that about anyone else you would be incredulous, and aren't there Customs rules about the max cash that can be carried across borders or something?

Yes, there are. So it’s lucky that the story you’ve just posted is completely imaginary then, isn’t it?

Who knows who is reporting what, and how much is covered up in the process? Anyway in this day and age there has to be some suspicion about suitcases with £1million in them bound for the King/Palace. Cash, not a credit or international bank transfer. No.... cash.

I wouldn't believe a word of it going to charity either although if anyone can point in that direction, I'm happy to be corrected. There's a whiff about this money and no one could deny it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61941113

The Prince of Wales at the Commonwealth heads of government meeting in Kigali, Rwanda

Prince Charles 'accepted a suitcase with 1m euros', report claims

Clarence House says the correct processes were followed with the Qatari sheikh's charitable donations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61941113

Mightymoog · 02/02/2025 15:31

Serenster · 02/02/2025 15:17

And what was that about the King returning from Qatar or wherever in the ME with a plastic/paper bag full of cash. If you read that about anyone else you would be incredulous, and aren't there Customs rules about the max cash that can be carried across borders or something?

Yes, there are. So it’s lucky that the story you’ve just posted is completely imaginary then, isn’t it?

you missed that story? really?
It was in the major outlets.

Alongleadtimeplease · 02/02/2025 15:48

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/25/prince-charles-is-said-to-have-been-given-3m-in-qatari-cash

Here’s The Guardian version

How much of this is imaginary Serenstar ? that’s a genuine question by the way, not trying to be gratuitously controversial. I am interested in what is the truth and what is not.

Just because the cash was accepted by Prince Charles, as he was then, then given to an aide, who gave it to Coutts, who then transferred it to a charitable foundation, doesn’t mean that it’s not highly unusual!

It’s £ 2.6 million in cash!

There are strict customs and tax laws which govern bringing cash in to the country. Were they compliant with those?

Who is scrutinising this? And why wasnt the money transferred to the charity in the usual way?

it’s highly dubious.

Prince Charles given €3m in cash in bags by Qatari politician, according to report

Money was passed immediately to one of the prince’s charities, says Clarence House

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/25/prince-charles-is-said-to-have-been-given-3m-in-qatari-cash

Alongleadtimeplease · 02/02/2025 15:52

Serenster sorry didn’t see you had already had two posts directed to you about this!

You must admit it’s a bit suspicious.
How do we know that it was a one-off occurrence for example?

Serenster · 02/02/2025 16:16

How much of this is imaginary Serenstar ? that’s a genuine question by the way, not trying to be gratuitously controversial. I am interested in what is the truth and what is not.

Firstly, because the transactions didn’t tale place abroad. The King didn’t return from Qatar with a plastic/paper bag full of cash, and didn’t breach any Customs rules about the max cash that can be carried across borders, as Vandel said. Those are the bits that are entirely made up.

The cash was handed over in the UK, at Clarence House, as a donation to a charity established by Prince Charles, not a gift to him personally. That part was all not mentioned by Vandel.

Secondly, contrary to popular belief, there is nothing wrong or illegal with the transactions that took place here. Or cash transactions by themselves. It’s not illegal to make a donation in cash, even a large donation. Cash transactions need to be checked carefully though as people who are laundering money to conceal its criminal origins often use cash. So it is considered a red flag.

So what happens when someone wants to give a charity a donation in cash is that various levels of checks must be undertaken. Firstly by the bank from which the cash is withdrawn. Then when you give it to the charity as they’ll have to do their own checks before accepting it, and then again when the charity deposits it in their own bank account (the reason for the deposit and the source of the funds will need to be established by the receiving bank). Then, as both Charles and the Ex-Prime Minister giving the donation count as Politically-Exposed Persons, or PEPs, extra caution applies and additional checks to be done.

These checks don’t mean that there is anything inherently wrong with the transaction however. In this case, we know that the board of the charity and the bank that the donation were paid into were both happy that appropriate due diligence had been done, and the donation was fine.

Even the Guardian report you link to says clearly “There is no suggestion the payments were illegal”. And also ”there is no evidence the sheikh did not intend the monies to go to the charity” And if other donations were made in a similar way, providing the necessary checks were done, and passed, the transactions are genuinely not suspicious.

Makes a good “this must be suspicious story!” splash in the press though…

vandel · 02/02/2025 16:31

I wonder why the Qatari donor didn't give the cash directly to the charity. Was there a motive in channelling it through PC (at the time).

Stinks. And I don't care if the transaction was within our borders or not, it is highly unusual to hand over bags or suitcases full of cash. It really is, no matter the motive behind it. Criminals do this to launder money. Oh dear, what have I just said.....

Alongleadtimeplease · 02/02/2025 16:36

Serenster · 02/02/2025 16:16

How much of this is imaginary Serenstar ? that’s a genuine question by the way, not trying to be gratuitously controversial. I am interested in what is the truth and what is not.

Firstly, because the transactions didn’t tale place abroad. The King didn’t return from Qatar with a plastic/paper bag full of cash, and didn’t breach any Customs rules about the max cash that can be carried across borders, as Vandel said. Those are the bits that are entirely made up.

The cash was handed over in the UK, at Clarence House, as a donation to a charity established by Prince Charles, not a gift to him personally. That part was all not mentioned by Vandel.

Secondly, contrary to popular belief, there is nothing wrong or illegal with the transactions that took place here. Or cash transactions by themselves. It’s not illegal to make a donation in cash, even a large donation. Cash transactions need to be checked carefully though as people who are laundering money to conceal its criminal origins often use cash. So it is considered a red flag.

So what happens when someone wants to give a charity a donation in cash is that various levels of checks must be undertaken. Firstly by the bank from which the cash is withdrawn. Then when you give it to the charity as they’ll have to do their own checks before accepting it, and then again when the charity deposits it in their own bank account (the reason for the deposit and the source of the funds will need to be established by the receiving bank). Then, as both Charles and the Ex-Prime Minister giving the donation count as Politically-Exposed Persons, or PEPs, extra caution applies and additional checks to be done.

These checks don’t mean that there is anything inherently wrong with the transaction however. In this case, we know that the board of the charity and the bank that the donation were paid into were both happy that appropriate due diligence had been done, and the donation was fine.

Even the Guardian report you link to says clearly “There is no suggestion the payments were illegal”. And also ”there is no evidence the sheikh did not intend the monies to go to the charity” And if other donations were made in a similar way, providing the necessary checks were done, and passed, the transactions are genuinely not suspicious.

Makes a good “this must be suspicious story!” splash in the press though…

That’s very interesting thank you.

May I ask about your sources?

Where are you finding the truthful details?

I don’t mean to doubt but I have been involved with the board of a charity in the past and large cash donations to the tune of £2.6 million would have certainly raised a few eyebrows.

Obviously, in this context, one would have to consider the question of “buying favours” and at what point does cash change from a donation in to a bribe?

Serenster · 02/02/2025 16:42

I would guess the Qatari donor was doing it to make himself look big and important! Ego and face and all that.

Of course he could have simply transferred the money via a bank transfer. It’s a bit like handing over a surfboard-sized cheque for a photo op when making a charitable donation for more normal sums though - it makes the donor feel important.

And all sorts of things are red flags for financial crime. Like an employee who is reluctant to take more than a few days’ leave from their job. It’s why many financial institutions have a mandatory rule that their staff must take at least one two-week holiday every year. That doesn’t mean everyone who wouldn’t normally take two weeks off work is committing crimes though.

NewYearStillFat · 02/02/2025 16:43

FatFiatMultiplaWhopper · 28/12/2024 20:24

I'm not a "hater", I'm just capable of critical thinking.

Good point well made.

IdaGlossop · 02/02/2025 16:49

CathyorClaire · 31/01/2025 21:05

Willy's also driven him more recently.

But anyway.

Do you think the heir couldn't have requested a separate vehicle from the endless pool of luxury motors available?

I read at the time that he was asked by KC3 to drive Andrew and did so reluctantly. It was a family occasion, at Balmoral, so not as bad as it might have been.

Serenster · 02/02/2025 16:50

I don’t mean to doubt but I have been involved with the board of a charity in the past and large cash donations to the tune of £2.6 million would have certainly raised a few eyebrows.

Of course it would have raised eyebrows! Which is another reason why all parties involved int his would have been very certain that all the i’s were dotted and the t’s crossed when scrutinising the transaction. I imagine it’s not normal at all for donations to be signed off by the Charity’s Board either, but they doubtless felt they needed to be all over the governance of the accepting the donation.

And I don’t have any sources here. I have just read the original Sunday Times article, which broke this story, and had more details. Still quite clear that they weren’t suggesting anything here was illegal, or that the money had ever been intended as anything other than a donation.

Tomatotater · 02/02/2025 16:50

Alongleadtimeplease · 02/02/2025 16:36

That’s very interesting thank you.

May I ask about your sources?

Where are you finding the truthful details?

I don’t mean to doubt but I have been involved with the board of a charity in the past and large cash donations to the tune of £2.6 million would have certainly raised a few eyebrows.

Obviously, in this context, one would have to consider the question of “buying favours” and at what point does cash change from a donation in to a bribe?

Wasn't the charity something to do with Dumfries house? So Charles' own house?
Re the subject of the thread, there was also something in
The Times story about Angela Rayner strongly objecting to, and voting against Andrew still being a Counsellor of State. Rather than them just adding more people so he wouldn't in practice be called upon she wanted him removed entirely. She was then the only senior politician not invited to an official ceremony at The Palace, attended by all senior members of the government, and even the Deputy leader of the Opposition. So yes, it looks like if you call out any of them, even Andrew, you get punished. It's how they keep the press onside too. I suspect in private none of them think he's done anything wrong. he was just stupid enough to show himself up up on Newsnight. Even William happily had him sit in the front seat while he drove him to church, with his wife relegated to the back. Front and centre, so he could definitely be seen by everyone.
Edited as this has already been talked about above. He didn't look too reluctant. As if the Royals don't have another car for Andrew to go in. He also didn't need to be at the front. As if William couldn't have said 'Look Dad, I don't like him, I don't want an awkward journey with him and all the press snapping away.' They all looked perfectly relaxed.

IdaGlossop · 02/02/2025 16:50

vandel · 02/02/2025 16:31

I wonder why the Qatari donor didn't give the cash directly to the charity. Was there a motive in channelling it through PC (at the time).

Stinks. And I don't care if the transaction was within our borders or not, it is highly unusual to hand over bags or suitcases full of cash. It really is, no matter the motive behind it. Criminals do this to launder money. Oh dear, what have I just said.....

No. Not money laundering. It couldn't have been as the carrier bags were Fortnum & Mason carrierbafs. Only the best.

IdaGlossop · 02/02/2025 16:59

TheCrowPeople · 02/02/2025 05:16

Archive (non-paywalled) version of this morning's Sunday Times article as referenced above at 03.46.

https://archive.ph/pwYBT

The Duke of York was viewed by the Chinese state as a “valuable communication channel”, according to newly released court papers.

They indicate MI5 questioned Prince Andrew’s most senior aide about their “clandestine” relationship with an alleged Chinese spy ...

... Yang’s lawyers told the SIAC that the authorities knew about his relationship with the duke because “the intelligence services were in contact with Mr Hampshire in 2022”.

Open door now for parliamentarians. Fuck the permanent secretaries and the clerks and the 'top aides'. (Did anyone else see that oddball story in the Mail last night about Angela 'Andrew's a nonce' Rayner being allegedly 'chastened' by cabinet secretary Simon Case?!)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14350429/Angela-Rayner-launched-astonishing-tirade-against-nonce-Prince-Andrew-removed-official-list-deputies-Charles-authors-claim-new-book.html

I'm a big supporter of Angela Rayner. Hers is an amazing life story. It's not a good look though for a person in public life yo be using words like 'nonce'. Andrew is awful and loathsome but us not aconvicted paedophile so Ange was on tricky ground from that perspective too.

Tomatotater · 02/02/2025 17:06

Clearly you get arrested for using a Sports Direct bag. if only they had the foresight to be a bit more upmarket!