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ARO update

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Sunblessed · 27/11/2024 21:28

At the end of August, there was a partial rejection of the ARO trademark because of the name and descriptions. Also issues with the logo.
They had 3 months to rectify, which you would think would be ample time.

But just a few days before the deadline, an extension has been applied for. Which would be another 3 months

So it’s obviously not an easy fix, I’m sure there have been countless people working to get this done and they have months! Yet they’ve not been able to sort it.

Seemingly, you are only allowed one extension. This would take her to the end of February. So pretty much a year since she’s launched and it’s no further forward, if anything she’s in a worse position. What a disaster.

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Thedom · 06/12/2024 09:39

Don't forget that, other than their in-house PR team, WME remained silent and never intervened in trying to put a halt on the Hollywood Reporter article.

US Weekly, a lowbrow tabloid, was the only one who would run with a H&M response, none of their usual PR outlets would touch it.

I think there was a strong message in that and the veracity of what was reported by The Hollywood Reporter.

Serenster · 06/12/2024 09:58

Also, in relation to the Valentine Low article which first broke the story that Meghan bullied her staff, The Times provided Meghan’s lawyers, Schillings, with a copy of the article before publication. Meghan’s responses were quoted as from her lawyers, not her "representatives" or "sources close to the couple". They also published the lawyers' responses in full in each article. And still the Times published - they were very confident that their story held up. Notably, Schillings did not take any steps to stop the article being published, though they had plenty of time to seek an injunction if they felt they could do so.

And when it was published, Schillings issued a carefully worded statement that called the article ““another distressing smear,” but never actually denied it. This is all very telling that the story could not be denied, or publication stopped on the basis it wasn’t true.

Sunblessed · 06/12/2024 10:15

Great points @Thedom @Serenster

All together it builds a picture. numerous and serious allegations regarding her behaviour and those around her; husband, agents, lawyers haven’t done anything to kill the story, categorically refute the allegations or take them to court.

This story won’t ever go away because they haven’t given us a straight answer. Eventually she will be undone by this type of behaviour. When? I’m not sure. Greg Wallace got away with unprofessional behaviour for years, even after people spoke up.

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wonderingconcerned · 06/12/2024 12:50

BettyBlueSky · 06/12/2024 04:35

@wonderingconcerned

Is this the ‘report’? It’s my first time reading it fully. I really didn’t want to get into all this and I’ll answer your post but then I’m leaving it there. It’s not a settled matter. We aren’t talking about something that we know definitively happened.

Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Harry and Meghan
Plus, how an Echo glitch turned Alexa into a “commie operative” and Dimitri, the million-dollar maitre ‘d, rides off into the Sunset (Tower).

Would you work for Harry and Meghan? Ex-employees say run away. Adobe Stock (2); Samir Hussein/WireImage; Karwai Tang/WireImage
Plus, how an Echo glitch turned Alexa into a “commie operative” and Dimitri, the million-dollar maitre ‘d, rides off into the Sunset (Tower).

(The column covers 3 separate topics. 1. Meghan and Harry’s ex employees, 2. Alexa is a ‘commie operative’ due to a technical glitch, and 3. a story about Dimitri the maitre ‘d)

“Looks like Harry and Meghan have done it again — they’ve chewed up yet another American adviser.

Josh Kettler, the Santa Barbara-based consultant who’d been serving as chief of staff to the Duke and Duchess, reportedly resigned in August — after just three months on the job — becoming the latest member of the ever-expanding “Sussex Survivors Club,” as some former employees have taken to calling themselves. Before Kettler, there was Toya Holness, who was their global press secretary until 2022, and Christine Weil Schirmer, the onetime Pinterest communications director who quit as Harry and Meghan’s PR head in 2021. Samantha Cohen, Markle’s top aide and private secretary, departed the same year.

Earlier, there was Keleigh Thomas Morgan, a Sunshine Sachs partner who started repping Meghan when she was still a commoner (well, a TV star on Suits), adding Harry to her client roster when they became engaged and then helping them set up their own internal comms operation when the couple moved to California.
(Sources tell Rambling Reporter that Morgan stopped repping them around 2020, because the Sussexes stopped paying Sunshine Sachs for its services, though the PR firm denies that was the case.)

Other members of the Survivors Club include Catherine St-Laurent, who lasted a year as head of the Sussexes’ charity Archewell; Archewell COO Mandana Dayani; content chief Ben Browning (who got Harry and Meghan’s documentary on Netflix before bolting for FilmNation); and marketing chief Fara Taylor.
Why’d they all leave? What explains the churn? “Everyone’s terrified of Meghan,” claims a source close to the couple. “She belittles people, she doesn’t take advice. They’re both poor decision-makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he’s very much an enabler. And she’s just terrible.”

In 2018 Markle’s treatment of two royal aides prompted Buckingham Palace to investigate the then-princess for “bullying behavior.” Though the results of the inquiry were never released, Markle denounced the effort as a “calculated smear campaign.” But some of the couple’s stateside staff-members also reserve special bile for Markle, whose reported penchant for noisy tantrums and angry 5 a.m. emails has earned her the in-house moniker ‘Duchess Difficult.’ “She’s absolutely relentless,” says one source. “She marches around like a dictator in high heels, fuming and barking orders. I’ve watched her reduce grown men to tears.”

Their unsparing portrait of her is in marked contrast with the kinder, gentler image Markle has been painting of herself. In recent years the former princess has become an ardent admirer of best-selling Texas self-help author Brené Brown, who urges readers to cultivate gratitude and joy in their lives. While touring Colombia with her husband last month, Markle said her new attitude of gratitude had lead her to a “chapter of joy.” “If you’re going to be grateful for your life, you have to be grateful for all aspects of it,” she said.

And in a recent episode of her Archetypespodcast, Meghan spoke about the challenges she has faced asserting herself and overcoming her natural reticence in professional situations. “I find myself cowering and tiptoeing into a room and – the thing I find most embarrassing – when you’re saying a sentence and the intonation goes up, like it’s a question. And you’re like, ‘Oh my God, stop stop like whispering and tiptoeing around it. Just say what it is that you need. You’re allowed to set a boundary. You’re allowed to be clear, it doesn’t make you demanding. It doesn’t make you difficult, it makes you clear.'”

Harry and Meghan’s current spokesperson declined to comment.”

The column throws a lot of shade on Meghan but again, no one willing to come forward. No one who says they actually belong to the ‘Sussex survivors club’ - actually it doesn’t tell us if any of the people actually belong to this ‘club.’ 3 of the people are from their original KP office. 2 of those 3 were the original 2 that apparently prompted Jason Knauf to officially complain. One, Samantha Cohen left their employ in 2021 according to this article. Isn’t this incorrect? Harry and Meghan left the UK early 2020.

they quoted a ‘source’ as saying this, “She marches around like a dictator in high heels, fuming and barking orders. I’ve watched her reduce grown men to tears.” This reeks of misogyny, and I was left wondering if this is a remotely serious piece of journalism. Of course, a man could be reduced to tears by a woman but how many ‘ grown men’ in her employ did Meghan reduce to tears exactly? Then I realized this is in the equivalent of the gossip column of a newspaper.

I counted there were 11 people (not 12) referred to. I just couldn’t be disciplined enough to read it again to check. But some of these people were just noted as having left Meghan and Harry’s employ. No reasons given. The column didn’t tie anyone to actually being a bullying victim. In my opinion they’ve implied all 11 were victims with a lot of twisty writing as far as I can tell. Truly, I’m sick of this sort of writing.

(I tried to link the actual Hollywood Reporter article but it wouldn’t link) so I’ll reference it the old way;

The Hollywood Reporter September 12, 2024 authors Benjamin Svrkey editor, and Julian Sancton, Editor.

Meghan and Harry don’t sue the media willy nilly although it feels like it because churnalists are always referring to their ‘habit of suing.’ Meghan has only sued once as far as I know. Harry 3 times - 2 of which are ongoing.

Not suing someone is not an admission that the story is true, nor is it an admission of guilt in any way.

With all the bad things Meghan is accused of doing by the media and on sm, she’d have to be 50 people just to get it all done.

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Then I realized this is in the equivalent of the gossip column of a newspaper.

Another attempt at twisting the truth to minimise MM behaviour - maybe that's why you didnt post the link .... here it is for all to see - clearly in the Business section of a highly credible industry publication.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hollywood-keeps-quitting-prince-harry-meghan-markle-1235996963/

In addition the editors follow up interview doubling down on the expose - reveals that that one of his dozen sources was a current senior employee. Reporting that staff are terrified and there is an undercurrent of fear. He also discusses the BP bullying investigation where M&H said it was a made up smear and that this recent investigation would not back M&H stance.

As is well understood many of these employees (as has been the case in similar scandals) are tied up with NDAs and their careers and livelihoods are at risk from speaking out - so they just move on - hence the 'churn'.

Would you work for Harry and Meghan? Ex-employees say run away.

Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Harry and Meghan

Plus, how an Echo glitch turned Alexa into a “commie operative” and Dimitri, the million-dollar maitre ‘d, rides off into the Sunset (Tower).

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hollywood-keeps-quitting-prince-harry-meghan-markle-1235996963

BettyBlueSky · 07/12/2024 01:01

Another attempt at twisting the truth to minimise MM behaviour - maybe that's why you didnt post the link ...

The reason I did not post the link is because for some reason a DM link kept coming up each time I tried. I got sick of trying.

But I copied and posted the entire piece. So no, not trying to twist anything.

I replied to your post that asked for my take on this, and then got called a liar. So stupid of me. I won’t answer you again.

wonderingconcerned · 07/12/2024 01:13

BettyBlueSky · 07/12/2024 01:01

Another attempt at twisting the truth to minimise MM behaviour - maybe that's why you didnt post the link ...

The reason I did not post the link is because for some reason a DM link kept coming up each time I tried. I got sick of trying.

But I copied and posted the entire piece. So no, not trying to twist anything.

I replied to your post that asked for my take on this, and then got called a liar. So stupid of me. I won’t answer you again.

Here is my full quote again - challenging your specific claim at the top in bold - seems you cut this out above....

Then I realized this is in the equivalent of the gossip column of a newspaper.

Another attempt at twisting the truth to minimise MM behaviour - maybe that's why you didnt post the link .... here it is for all to see - clearly in the Business section of a highly credible industry publication.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 07/12/2024 09:58

The thing with Suits is that Meghan had no automatic status in the show - she had a contract. And she had superior colleagues to impress. So I'm not sure that is such a great defence.

Even so, there are examples of her poor treatment of others. She got snarky with a reporter on the red carpet for "looking out for someone more famous" - but that's literally his job. Her job was to smile and provide a soundbite about the show she was working on (she did appear to be waffling on a bit).

And the agent who worked with her coming to Britain implied that she was very much charming in the moment until you were no longer useful.

Harry's own account reminds me of previous work situations, where those responsible for the drama took no responsibility for fixing it.

CoffeeCantata · 07/12/2024 10:39

For anyone who questions the bullying allegations against Meghan, I urge you to watch the video of her visit to the Fiji market. Her behaviour is there for all to see. The poor security officer (the tall, blonde woman), who I'm sure was very experienced and no senisitive little flower, had clearly had all she could take from Meghan and is close to tears.

What apparently happened was: M was scheduled to visit the market and talk to the women entrepreneurs there for 15 minutes. These women had waited patiently and very excitedly for her arrival. Meghan arrived and caught sight of the UN Women (wearing blue shirts) who, for reasons best known to herself (but there are speculations on this), Meghan did NOT wish to encounter. She hisses something in the ear of the security officer who looks strained. The UN Women then approach Meghan but she dodges them and heads straight out of the market...pursued by her entourage, cutting the visit short to everyone's bafflement and embarrassment. Apparently the officer was later seen weeping in an official car and the Fijian women were not impressed.

Meghan excused her behaviour by saying she was feeling unwell. Hmmm.

isitsnowingyett · 07/12/2024 11:13

Narcissists always appear charming at first.

Lack of empathy

Need for admiration

Grandiose feelings

Preoccupation with power, beauty, or success

Sense of entitlement

Inflated sense of importance

Arrogance

Blaming

Diminished self-esteem

They expect preferential treatment

You take advantage of people

Arrogance, haughty behaviors, and attitudes

Exaggerating achievements and abilities

Exploitative behavior

Nothing is ever their fault

Superficial and exploitative relationships

A preoccupation with themselves

Belief in superiority

Controlling behavior

Difficulty maintaining relationships

Disregard for other people

Frequent envy

Intolerance for imperfections in others

Manipulative

CoffeeCantata · 07/12/2024 11:15

Even so, there are examples of her poor treatment of others. She got snarky with a reporter on the red carpet for "looking out for someone more famous" - but that's literally his job. Her job was to smile and provide a soundbite about the show she was working on (she did appear to be waffling on a bit).

And the video of her with the South African woman who had undergone trauma of various kinds - some losing children. One woman tried to tell her story to Meghan, but Meghan pretty much ignores her and treats her as an irritating distraction while she instead gets on to the floor and simpers at the camera while performatively interacting with a baby.

Warning: it's hard to watch, though - she's so unbelievably callous and insensitive.

IcedPurple · 07/12/2024 11:21

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 07/12/2024 09:58

The thing with Suits is that Meghan had no automatic status in the show - she had a contract. And she had superior colleagues to impress. So I'm not sure that is such a great defence.

Even so, there are examples of her poor treatment of others. She got snarky with a reporter on the red carpet for "looking out for someone more famous" - but that's literally his job. Her job was to smile and provide a soundbite about the show she was working on (she did appear to be waffling on a bit).

And the agent who worked with her coming to Britain implied that she was very much charming in the moment until you were no longer useful.

Harry's own account reminds me of previous work situations, where those responsible for the drama took no responsibility for fixing it.

I agree with that.

A jobbing actress who was 5th on the call sheet of a cable TV drama was in no position to bully anyone. Crews on set are highly regarded professionals and certainly would not let themselves be pushed around by a no name actress. That kind of behaviour would not be tolerated and could even result in her suspension from the show. As you say, she was on a contract and, I believe, not essential to the plot.

No comparison to being in a situation where people literally bow to you address you as 'Your Royal Highness'. That went to her head big time it would seem. The bullying allegations are too consistent to be dismissed as a 'smear campaign'.

JSMill · 07/12/2024 13:20

That went to her head big time.
I think you are absolutely right. Not quite in the same league but I have lived in a Middle Eastern country where domestic staff are very cheap and expats have maids, drivers, nannies etc. It was very common to see people coming from very ordinary backgrounds in the UK turning into absolute bitches towards the domestic staff and expecting to be waited on hand and foot.

IcedPurple · 07/12/2024 14:50

JSMill · 07/12/2024 13:20

That went to her head big time.
I think you are absolutely right. Not quite in the same league but I have lived in a Middle Eastern country where domestic staff are very cheap and expats have maids, drivers, nannies etc. It was very common to see people coming from very ordinary backgrounds in the UK turning into absolute bitches towards the domestic staff and expecting to be waited on hand and foot.

Funnily enough I too used to live in a Middle Eastern country where almost everyone had 'servants'. Shortly after I first arrived, I was quite bemused to see a woman from my home town, who worked in what would be considered a fairly humble job, getting the 'help' to carry her bags and buy her cigarettes.

It's what happens when someone who has always craved status suddenly finds it. That times a million is likely what happened with the Duchess.

Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 15:18

Any guesstimates about when the cooking show will be launched?

  • Can’t be slated for January because we would have heard by now and Harry has his court case against the Sun commencing against the Sun.
  • Would be too close to POLO, I hardly think they’ll try to ride in its coattails

So Feb-Sept 2025( when Netflix deal runs out)

Harrys case against the Gov is August 25 isn’t it?

So they will want to avoid that. So we are talking spring/early summer?

There’s no way a product launch could happen in that time unless it’s a totally new brand. Even that is pushing it.

If they are to launch at the same time, that would take us to early summer wouldn’t it.
I don’t think they’ve got anything else to show on Netflix in the meantime. There’s no Miss Havisham, no meet me at the lake. We haven’t heard that they are making anything else.

This cooking show seems to be the end of the contract. Still a while to wait though I think

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IcedPurple · 07/12/2024 15:24

Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 15:18

Any guesstimates about when the cooking show will be launched?

  • Can’t be slated for January because we would have heard by now and Harry has his court case against the Sun commencing against the Sun.
  • Would be too close to POLO, I hardly think they’ll try to ride in its coattails

So Feb-Sept 2025( when Netflix deal runs out)

Harrys case against the Gov is August 25 isn’t it?

So they will want to avoid that. So we are talking spring/early summer?

There’s no way a product launch could happen in that time unless it’s a totally new brand. Even that is pushing it.

If they are to launch at the same time, that would take us to early summer wouldn’t it.
I don’t think they’ve got anything else to show on Netflix in the meantime. There’s no Miss Havisham, no meet me at the lake. We haven’t heard that they are making anything else.

This cooking show seems to be the end of the contract. Still a while to wait though I think

I'm unconvinced that either ARO or 'the cooking show' will ever happen.

But I'm not sure how Harry's myriad court cases play into the launch timing?

wonderingconcerned · 07/12/2024 15:26

Its been filmed though I understand - so I expect NF will want it broadcast when the scheduling suits them best for a ROI perspective. Do they need to hang around though for ARO to get functional? Maybe there is a commercial tie up with ARO and NF on % sales of jam etc? Maybe it might get to a point where ARO cant deliver and NF just runs it?

Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 15:29

IcedPurple · 07/12/2024 15:24

I'm unconvinced that either ARO or 'the cooking show' will ever happen.

But I'm not sure how Harry's myriad court cases play into the launch timing?

Would it look bad for business? When Harry is bleating in court?

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Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 15:30

wonderingconcerned · 07/12/2024 15:26

Its been filmed though I understand - so I expect NF will want it broadcast when the scheduling suits them best for a ROI perspective. Do they need to hang around though for ARO to get functional? Maybe there is a commercial tie up with ARO and NF on % sales of jam etc? Maybe it might get to a point where ARO cant deliver and NF just runs it?

This is what I think will prob happen. I think there’s potentially too many issues to launch together and Netflix will want the deal done and the show out the way.

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IcedPurple · 07/12/2024 15:37

Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 15:29

Would it look bad for business? When Harry is bleating in court?

I don't see how it would have an impact one way or the other.

Outside of a small circle who follow such matters, hardly anyone outside of Britain will be aware of Harry's latest legal shenanigans.

IcedPurple · 07/12/2024 15:38

wonderingconcerned · 07/12/2024 15:26

Its been filmed though I understand - so I expect NF will want it broadcast when the scheduling suits them best for a ROI perspective. Do they need to hang around though for ARO to get functional? Maybe there is a commercial tie up with ARO and NF on % sales of jam etc? Maybe it might get to a point where ARO cant deliver and NF just runs it?

Is there a precedent for NF having a commercial tie in with a show? I've never heard of it, which isn't to say it hasn't happened.

I think if NF had a commercial stake in 'ARO', it would have been much more professionally handled than the shambles we've seen.

Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 15:39

True but papers like the NY Post do report on his cases. Broadsheets, no but tabloids

They also have a relationship with Pagesix, which is part of the same paper group.

So I don’t think they will launch when he is mid court case

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Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 15:44

Mega is the CEO of ARO, so I don’t think Netflix would let that happen if they had a stake. However, I do think she would try and coincide the cooking show and lifestyle brand launch but I just don’t see how that’s possible now. I think it was her PR that put out this idea that Netflix were interested in a brand deal. They ain’t.

She won’t get ARO TM’d. They won’t even get back to her about it until late 2025 so that’s pointless. Even then it will be another No.

So unless she’s to launch with a completely new name, which is possible, I think the show will go out first and the brand a bit later

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Mylovelygreendress · 07/12/2024 16:00

I read recently that test audiences weren’t impressed with the cookery show.
Not sure if it will go ahead .

EdithWeston · 07/12/2024 18:32

Mylovelygreendress · 07/12/2024 16:00

I read recently that test audiences weren’t impressed with the cookery show.
Not sure if it will go ahead .

I think that's the inference from what Puck published a few months ago. Filming finished in July, and the article (suggesting that not all was well appeared about a month later)

No official news since then, but a puff piece in the autumn said that MM was excited about it coming out early 2025.

Sunblessed · 12/12/2024 08:37

Meghan at a baby shower but has obviously allowed her friend to stick up photos for her insta. Obviously Meghan approved because the focus of attention is on meghan, not the mum to be.

Can’t really see the complete outfit but looks nice to me. Pink isn’t really a colour she’s worn much I don’t think?

Yes another occasion without Harry, but it’s a baby shower- so that would be weird if he was there.

But I think this is part of the soft PR she’s putting out- with female friends, baby shower, etc.

If privacy was paramount, why reveal such a moment? It’s a friends baby shower.

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