King Charles III

[ConstantGarden1]

Will he?

I am no gambler but I can’t see it myself. Not unless he wants to show his support of his son. Would KC be that generous to his ‘darling boy’? If he did it will definitely upset some anti Harry royalists/daily mail readers/ right wing Americans. Can’t have Harry receiving the King surely….he is supposed to be beyond the pale these days.

William is reported as being ‘baffled’. Baffled? More like blazingly angry about it if true. I guess Will’s thought he could act like a ‘cuckoo’ and get Harry out now and forever. Maybe, the ‘bullying’ trait reported over the years by many, many people regarding him is still there.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/style/king-charles-discussions-visit-prince-130106673.html

Yes@Uricon2 . Everyone seems to forget that George VI was the spare. As was Elizabeth II at one point too. As was Henry VIII, Elizabeth II and Queen Victoria. Being a spare isn’t an automatic destiny of uselessness and resentment. It will be if that’s what you decide to make of the tremendous gift you have been afforded by fate of birth into huge wealth, privilege, connections and opportunities through the best education available and the world being willing to bend over backwards and help you. You can do something amazing with that, or you can piss it up a wall and complain. It’s a choice, not a destiny.

Mmm. I think the problem with that viewpoint - and in fact the way the entire RF is forced to live - is that familial relationships, particularly parent and child, should supersede all matters of state. If that isn't the case, you end up with human beings being treated as collateral damage.

KC's recent ill health has possibly reminded him of this. I am sure those of us who are mothers can identify with the battle not to allow our professional lives to over-ride our personal relationships with our DC.

And as so many people on here keep pointing out, Harry has never rejected the institution of the monarchy. His beef I believe is with the way it's run by the men in grey suits and the way he and his wife were treated within the Firm, and that's a position I have a lot of sympathy with. I don't necessarily agree with the way he handled it mind you, but I believe he was justified in some areas.

Also, if you push people in to corners and their pride is hurt, and you effectively humiliate them in front of their new wife, and you leave them with no face-saving alternatives, they are bound to bite back. It was all handled terribly.

Also, I think we can agree that if Charles and Wills can manage a reconciliation, whatever their personal thoughts on the matter, but if they can all behave professionally, including Harry, that can only strengthen the monarchy going forward.

I am a republican so I don't really care one way or another, but in terms of normal family relations, of course it's better if there can be forgiveness going both ways.

Harry on the throne 😂

Only throne he will ever be sitting on is made of porcelain.

You can do something amazing with that, or you can piss it up a wall and complain. It’s a choice, not a destiny.

Piss it up the wall or flush it down your porcelain throne 😉

It's funny how it's absolutely got to be Charles & William making the effort to reconcile (blood is thicker than water, and Charles is getting old).

Yet when it is suggested H&M try to reconcile with her father (who is also old and has been very ill), it's met with absolute disgust. Her family is toxic and caused her immeasurable pain and its great she's gone NC.

I just think the whole things very odd. I don't understand why Harry never once met his FIL.

But, both views can't be right, surely? Either you go NC or you try to reconcile.

That goes for everyone then?

Very good point, @MrsFinkelstein . I feel a Mrs Merton moment coming on: Tell us, Harry and Meghan, what is it about King Charles and Prince William that makes you want to reconcile with them but not Thomas Markle Snr?

I was careful to mention in my post that reconciliation and forgiveness should go both ways.

The reason we are talking about KC travelling to see H & M is bc that is the story mentioned by the op.

His beef I believe is with the way it's run by the men in grey suits

His beef was not getting his own way

@Recuperation7

“His beef I believe is with the way it's run by the men in grey suits and the way he and his wife were treated within the Firm.”

In what way were H and M treated within The Firm ?

"You can do something amazing with that, or you can piss it up a wall and complain. It’s a choice, not a destiny." @Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar

A really excellent point about the "spare(s)". It is not what probably at least 99.99999% of the worlds population would consider a bad start in life and is full of opportunity.

I do remember reading, years and years ago, that when kids William said something about not really wanting to be King and Harry immediately saying "You don't want to be King? I'll be King". I dismissed it at the time as either kids being kids and just a funny story, or totally made up (which of course it might have been) but these days I do wonder.

I think Diana sowed those seeds @Uricon2 . From accounts of her behaviour, she favoured and relied on her eldest to an unhealthy degree, and promised things to her youngest she had no right (or sense) to promise.

No I don’t. Only ones that particularly irritate me 😬 plus I was tired, cold and hungry at the time which further depleted my stash of spare fucks. I’ve warmed up and had some cake now yet I am still struggling to give a tiny rat’s ass about this. Or puzzle out why anyone else would.

perhaps @Kimmeridge , instead of policing the thread, and my posts, yuh could explain the fascination with pointless speculation about a family you don’t know and who care about you even less. 🤷‍♀️

His beef I believe is with the way it's run by the men in grey suits

The 'men in grey suits' are pretty good at what they do. Just compare Harry's reputation now to what is was when the 'grey suits' were taking care of things. He was among the most popular royals. Now he is among the least popular.

And they don't 'run' anything. They all have jobs like press officer, private secretary and so on. They have very little autonomy and have to follow the instructions of their employers.

I am a republican so I don't really care one way or another,

Of course you don't.

Thanks for letting us know.

@BitOutOfPractice Nah not when you have so little fucks to give. Why waste time. And I'm not policing anything just seems bizarre to come onto a board and a thread about something you have no interest in just to announce you have no interest

could explain the fascination with pointless speculation about a family you don’t know and who care about you even less

Why the fascination with anyone in the public eye - none of which care about us but it doesn't stop people being interested

But as I said maybe I've been doing MN wrong & should adopt your method of posting 🤷‍♂️

pointless speculation about a family you don’t know and who care about you even less

Now where did I put my bingo card?

Isn’t it so very strange that the republicans on here who apparently really “couldn’t care one way or the other” write a lengthy prose on the very subject they profess to not care about.

To be honest with the scary stuff going on currently in France I’ll stick to the constitutional monarchy.

Oh yes. I remember Diana with respect and affection, I think she was in many ways quite remarkable, but she certainly seemed to overrely on/parentify William in a way that wasn't at all healthy. I think some people forget that 2 boys very close in age lost their mother tragically, and the elder had an extremely complex relationship to come to terms with in his loss.

Harry as a grown man though should be able to grasp enough of his own family history to realise that barring an utter tragedy he is never going to be King and that isn't actually William's fault. I wonder if he will ever make peace and put to rest whatever is driving his discontent.

Maybe you should @Kimmeridge . Could be more entertaining.

you clearly gind my posts irritating yer here you are, posting back 😜

@Makemydaypunk did you pop it under your tiara?

No my tiara was getting in the way of tugging my forelock whilst also doffing my cap.

I heard someone say the other day that Harry, in deciding Meghan is the incarnation of Diana, has reverted to being the 12 year old boy he was when she died - picking up where they left off. And he is not being told to grow up and get real.

Hard to keep the old tiara on when grovelling too, don't forget!😂

yes, bejewelled headgear can get in the way of a good kow tow! (Is that his you spell it? Autocorrect nearly had a stroke trying to correct that!)

I think "police" needs to go on the bingo card.

😂😂 It's certainly over used