Prince William on His Majesty’s Secret Service

[KindnessJunkette]

So according to reports PW has visited one of the secret intelligence services this week. I’d like to have been a fly on the wall. I wonder if the subject of Harry came up? If it did he may have something to talk to his bro about. As Harry reads just about everything he can online if he saw this he may have picked up the phone himself and called PW.

Now this is a post that I actually in large part agree with. However, I do see that they are trying, have had success (limited) and I hope they are getting better advice than they did when they first left.

Bizarre.

H wouldn’t know honesty if he rolled it up and smoked it.

And therein lies the problem.

Sadly, so many hazy confused statements (some would say lies) have caused untold damage.

I think he does believe it in his head which is a shame.

It doesn’t make it true though.

I wish he could find happiness. True happiness. He probably thinks he has but I’m unsure. Happy people don’t spread misery and they don’t strive to make others unhappy.

If only he could find contentment with Meghan and his new family. I think he still has too many demons swirling round him for that to happen.

Yes @Tizzwazz there have been some missteps but I hope that they are on a better pathway now. It takes a lot to recover from all the negative opinions and press but time heals all.

That's very true. Just shutting down a conversation with " you hate" or "you're going on about it" " just makes it personal and negative. I genuinely think that people are exploiting Harry in particular. I think some people want to make money out of him and his grievances. I also think that the pair of them are being manipulated as a couple. They need to be very careful.

Yep.👍

Hallamlass
It's a real shame. I hope there's a way forward.

I'm no fan of H & M, but what I think they need to do is focus! Focus on one their many vaunted projects and work at it - really work at it, take advice and take things steadily.

What's happened to ARO? OK, Meghan may surprise me and launch a fully-fledged lifestyle emporium tomorrow, but somehow I doubt it. Has she been giving it the hard work and focus is needs (no of course not - or they couldn't have done the Nigeria jaunt). Gwyneth Paltrow took years to develop Goop, and people like Martha Stewart further back, similarly.

And the thing about those two influencers/entrepreneurs is that they were truly and authentically passionate about their project - they believed in it, and were prepared to work at it over a long period - to bring their vision to life.

I really think that neither M nor H have any idea how these things come about. You need to believe in what you're doing in your heart, inspire others, and put in the hours. The fairies won't do it for you.

KindnessJunkette · Today 19:48
Hallamlass · Today 19:22

Oh my god and his todger stories. Why do we need to know that?
Why do you feel the need to go on about it?

Er - because some people have been traumatised by his horrible revelations! Once he's painted this picture for us, we can't unsee it. Yuk! Definitely TMI.

If someone puts incredibly intimate and sensational information in the public domain, amid massive publicity, it's a bit unreasonable to complain that readers are 'going on about it'. That was surely the point!

Now, people 'going on about' KC's bugged conversation with Camilla years ago IS unfair. That was private, but it's dragged up on here frequently, and that's nasty.

I agree coffee

They are so busy trying to stay relevant that they are forgetting that ventures take work.

He has skated through life being relevant without really having to try so maybe he doesn’t quite get it.

But Meghan really will have put in the graft and I can’t understand why that hasn’t hit home for her.

I understand that here relevance was elevated hugely when she met Harry but they walked away from that easy relevance world.

Of course they are still well known/famous but they are teetering on the brink of infamous. I wouldn’t want to be a figure of fun or a joke.

The supposed Summer of Love charm offensive will be hard work indeed.

A summer of silence and a regroup might be better.

They're their own worst enemy sometimes, @CoffeeCantata . I agree about having a heartfelt project. That's what's needed.
@JennieBondandtheBiscotti dangerous indeed to teeter on that brink.

All of this 100%
There is only one person that needs to apologise and that's PH

'Some people just love to hate on him. Very sad.'

After reading some of your derogatory posts about members of the royal family, I'd say that's a bit rich, tbh. Pot/kettle an' all that.

Has hell frozen over or something?

I thought the 'Summer of Love' was very much associated with hippie culture, spiritual awakening, hallucinogenic drugs, anti-war sentiment and free love. It was a literal response in California to Timothy Leary's exhortation to 'turn on, tune in, drop out'. I remember my headmaster at my infant school school ranting on about it.

The name is Bond. Jennie Bond.

I wonder if H&M have seen any of the criticism written about them or if their advisors have? It's one thing to make a cock up , realise it hasn't done you any favours and so try to adjust your behaviour but to carry on in the same vein over and over just seems so self sabotaging.

You would think creme

It is a mess.

CremeFresh · Yesterday 21:54
I wonder if H&M have seen any of the criticism written about them or if their advisors have? It's one thing to make a cock up , realise it hasn't done you any favours and so try to adjust your behaviour but to carry on in the same vein over and over just seems so self sabotaging.

I don't think either of them have the humility or self-awareness to take advice. They know best.

I think the fundamental problem with their 'ventures' and their lives is that they just are incredibly shallow people with no personal passions, deep and sincere interests or aims beyond self-publicising. I've begun to think that the progressing or bringing to fruition of any of their projects isn't even the point. It's the big launch, the big splash, which they love and then when the time comes to get down to the hard graft, they shy away and move on to the next thing, hoping that we'll just forget - as they have.

I think it's a brave person who'd agree to work with them! You'd get all the hard stuff, none of the acclaim and absolutely all the blame.

There's too much pomposity there, @CoffeeCantata, for success to happen - success requires talent, hard work, focus and luck (according to Martin Lewis!).

Does anyone remember H&M's Ukraine statement in 2022? It was right up there in pomposity with 'collaborating with HM the Queen'.

'Prince Harry and Meghan, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and all of us at Archewell stand with the people of Ukraine against this breach of international and humanitarian law and encourage the global community and its leaders to do the same' - as if world leaders hadn't possibly thought of any of this, and Zelensky was not already in high-level geopolitical talks, the nature, depth and complexity of which would likely blow Harry's addled brain away.

Town & Country magazine reported in a remarkably restrained way that 'Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are standing in solidarity with the people of Ukraine.'

Are they still standing, I wonder? And what have they done for Ukraine?

Interestingly, btw, and relevant to the thread, that same article from 25th Feb 2022 reports that Prince William had visited MI6 for a briefing on the previous Wednesday and met with the Defense Secretary the day before. I think these regular briefings and meetings are part of the training for the heir to the throne (i.e. the next Head of State), as pp said. Charles often had/has them too.

ETA link

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a39224282/prince-harry-meghan-markle-ukraine-russia-statement-2022/

Weren’t they also going to be instrumental in the world roll-out of the covid vaccination?

I do think Harry is genuinely interested in Invictus. If Meghan could find something she really feels passionte about and focus on that it would help their PR enormously. Genuine interest is easy to spot, as is the opposite.

I do think so too, sadly it’s been used as a platform for their own publicity, but I’m honestly not sure that’s his doing, more Megan has seen it is a positive so has driven it to be about them or used it as a platform.

the work she does do,is always to drive money or fame. Even charitable endeavours, you can see it, she plays a part.

evenif she had some platform of her own she was interested in, it would help her, but it’s obvious American riviera was a failure before it got off the ground.

wanting to be rich and famous , isn’t really in the same bracket.

I get the feeling that Harry has shown his colours regarding Invictus.

It is now ‘ask not what we can do for Invictus but what Invictus can do for us’.

Yes, the Invictus behaviour has been astonishing. Surely someone someone must have said that Meghan using it as a fashion parade (literally a parade at one event) was awful optics all round.

She's now apparently moved on to the production of two jars of raspberry jam and a jar of dog biscuits.