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Royal Lodge - Is it forCamilla?

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KindnessJunkette · 13/06/2024 19:21

This seems to have caught fire in some places:

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/prince-andrew-rift-king-charles-queen-camilla-royal-news

Royal Lodge was the home of the Queen Mother. If he thinks Camilla will outlive him it could come about. I can see him wanting to protect her status through that love.

Prince Andrew’s ‘rift’ with King Charles could spark unintended benefit for Queen Camilla

The Duke of York has lived in Royal Lodge since 2003

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/prince-andrew-rift-king-charles-queen-camilla-royal-news

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DingDingaling · 14/06/2024 19:53

Abouttimeforanamechange · 14/06/2024 17:45

I wouldn't have thought Harry would have a clue how to run Highgrove anyway.

He never struck me as the gardening type.

DelectableMe · 14/06/2024 19:53

KindnessJunkette · 14/06/2024 19:51

I can’t argue with that. We live in a world of extreme wealth and extreme poverty. I do see the royals as helping others a lot though.

No, plus the same with the Sussexes.
So desperate to cling on to the titles, the status, the millions, just greedy, mendacious and grasping.

KindnessJunkette · 14/06/2024 19:57

DelectableMe · 14/06/2024 19:53

No, plus the same with the Sussexes.
So desperate to cling on to the titles, the status, the millions, just greedy, mendacious and grasping.

Winners in the lottery of life. Less tax for everyone else. More tax for the top 5%.

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DelectableMe · 14/06/2024 19:59

KindnessJunkette · 14/06/2024 19:57

Winners in the lottery of life. Less tax for everyone else. More tax for the top 5%.

Indeed. Yet still they complain on Netflix, moan about their misfortune and cash in on their connections by writing about the relatives being shite. . Just awful people.

KindnessJunkette · 14/06/2024 20:07

DelectableMe · 14/06/2024 19:59

Indeed. Yet still they complain on Netflix, moan about their misfortune and cash in on their connections by writing about the relatives being shite. . Just awful people.

Nah. Just privileged. Human beings at the end of the day.

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Passiflora2 · 14/06/2024 20:58

determinedtomakethiswork · 14/06/2024 15:25

Charles might be trying to solve the problem before he dies. He might know that William would really struggle with Andrew.

That’s a very good point actually. Hadn’t thought of that.

Passiflora2 · 14/06/2024 21:00

Abouttimeforanamechange · 14/06/2024 16:16

Highgrove is owned by the Duchy of Cornwall meaning C now pays his rent to W rather than himself. I can't see W keeping it on when he becomes king. I think it's most likely to be sold by the Duchy.

That would be a shame, after the decades of work that have gone into developing the gardens. Unless it became a Trust, or part of the King's Foundation, as Castle of Mey and Dumfries House. I think it should be kept as an educational resource, offering training in gardening and associated crafts, in line with Charles's principles.

That’s a really good idea.

LadyMuckRake · 14/06/2024 21:05

hastalav · 14/06/2024 15:47

My solution is to have Royal Lodge condemned as unsuitable for human occupation due to it falling down.

Get rid of all the palatial homes, sell to the Labour Government for social use.

Buy a block of luxury apartments in a salubrious area of London. Separate entrances for each "user/owner". The penthouses for the top of the pile, the ground floors for the disabled/bewildered.

Security focused on one place, and all together like one big happy family.

I think a version of this is a good idea, ten to 12 spacious apartments. That'd house all the spares in a secure patch

LizzieBennett73 · 14/06/2024 21:08

I agree with a PP, the optics of KC paying to keep the building from falling to ruin would not make good press. So he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. Andrew is too arrogant and entitled to offer to downsize.

caringcarer · 14/06/2024 21:49

determinedtomakethiswork · 14/06/2024 15:25

Charles might be trying to solve the problem before he dies. He might know that William would really struggle with Andrew.

That was my take on it too. He doesn't want the burden of dealing with Andrew to fall on to William's shoulders.

Karolinska · 15/06/2024 16:57

ARichtGoodDram · 14/06/2024 15:45

That said I don’t actually think any of them particularly want Andrew out of Royal Lodge. The issue is that Andrew can’t afford the upkeep, and Charles and William are both savvy enough to know that being seen to pay for lavish repairs to a large property for Andrew is going to get them a massive backlash.

If Andrew was looking after royal lodge then him moving wouldn’t even be up for discussion imo.

No the key issue is that Royal Lodge needs several million pounds a year spent on security. Charles is currently funding that. So there's a direct contrast between how much he's paying out for Andrew on security and how little for Harry, his own son who also hasn't been implicated in sex scandals with trafficked women. That's the nub. The issue about Royal Lodge falling into disrepair is that that makes Andrew in breach of the terms of his lease (I assume) and therefore provides leverage to evict him to avoid this really awkward and expensive and terrible optics issue with multi million pound security. If Andrew moves into Frogmore Cottage the security is already in place, purely because of where it is on the Windsor Estate.

Karolinska · 15/06/2024 17:00

Apologies if that's already been said - just replied to this post; haven't rtft.

KindnessJunkette · 15/06/2024 17:04

Karolinska · 15/06/2024 16:57

No the key issue is that Royal Lodge needs several million pounds a year spent on security. Charles is currently funding that. So there's a direct contrast between how much he's paying out for Andrew on security and how little for Harry, his own son who also hasn't been implicated in sex scandals with trafficked women. That's the nub. The issue about Royal Lodge falling into disrepair is that that makes Andrew in breach of the terms of his lease (I assume) and therefore provides leverage to evict him to avoid this really awkward and expensive and terrible optics issue with multi million pound security. If Andrew moves into Frogmore Cottage the security is already in place, purely because of where it is on the Windsor Estate.

Interesting re the security! Thinks more of Andrew than his son are you saying? I think he would pay for Harry if Harry buys a house. Lots of mutual love there.

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Karolinska · 15/06/2024 22:11

I think it's more that the situation Charles has been forced into/ inherited sends a message that he's more prepared to fund a paedo brother than a deeply upset son. And he seems uncomfortable with that - quite right that he should be; no criticism there at all.

Passiflora2 · 15/06/2024 22:16

Why should he fund a son who had left the country and doesn’t do anything at all for the RF, in fact tries to undermine and destroy them? Charles can’t pay for US security for the rest of Harry’s life. That would be ridiculous. Harry is a very rich man. He can afford to fund it himself.
Andrew isn’t a paedo. He also lives in the UK on Royal property so it’s easier to organise protection. Andrew is a problem inherited by Charles from his mother. He seems to be trying to sort the problem out as much as he can so William isn’t in the same position.

FuzzyStripes · 15/06/2024 22:23

Fintoo · 13/06/2024 19:31

I would think she would just go back to live in Ray Mill.

I think to all intents and purposes, she still lives there. It’s just when she is working as a royal that she sometimes stays elsewhere with Charles.

Karolinska · 15/06/2024 22:27

No-one is suggesting that Charles pays for Harry's US security. The issue is about security when Harry is on UK soil. The difficulty Charles currently has is that because Royal Lodge is outwith the Windsor Estate his bill for Andrew's protection runs into several million pounds a year. And strictly speaking - only legally of course, you're welcome to take a different view on moral grounds if you wish.... - Andrew is a paedo. Which is why he's now almost universally regarded as such.

Karolinska · 15/06/2024 22:29

That was @Passiflora2

EdithWeston · 16/06/2024 07:23

Karolinska · 15/06/2024 16:57

No the key issue is that Royal Lodge needs several million pounds a year spent on security. Charles is currently funding that. So there's a direct contrast between how much he's paying out for Andrew on security and how little for Harry, his own son who also hasn't been implicated in sex scandals with trafficked women. That's the nub. The issue about Royal Lodge falling into disrepair is that that makes Andrew in breach of the terms of his lease (I assume) and therefore provides leverage to evict him to avoid this really awkward and expensive and terrible optics issue with multi million pound security. If Andrew moves into Frogmore Cottage the security is already in place, purely because of where it is on the Windsor Estate.

The only information on Royal Lodge "falling in to disrepair" is a single Daily Mail article, which contains no firm information, other than the outside painting should have been re-done by now.

Also, it's part of the Windsor Estate, and isn't that all covered by the static security that protects the homes of all residents? Security for the buildings and grounds isn't the sort of personal security (bodyguards) that seems to be Harry's main concern

ajandjjmum · 16/06/2024 09:23

DH and I were walking through the grounds of Windsor Great Park last year to Windsor Castle - not knowing it was the day of the Order of the Garter ceremony. We came to an open gate on part of the walk and a car was coming towards us, we stood to one side, and as it went by saw it was Andrew dressed in a collar and tie. When we got closer to the Castle, there were loads of people in formal clothes walking in to the Castle grounds for the ceremony.

My point being that although it is in Windsor Great Park, Royal Lodge is not one of the properties in the main security corden, and the residents need to drive past the likes of DH and me to get anywhere. Thus the need for expensive security.

A pedophile is someone interested in prepubescent children not in 16/17 year old girls.

Karolinska · 16/06/2024 09:42

EdithWeston · 16/06/2024 07:23

The only information on Royal Lodge "falling in to disrepair" is a single Daily Mail article, which contains no firm information, other than the outside painting should have been re-done by now.

Also, it's part of the Windsor Estate, and isn't that all covered by the static security that protects the homes of all residents? Security for the buildings and grounds isn't the sort of personal security (bodyguards) that seems to be Harry's main concern

No, the cost of Andrew's personal security is the issue. This was be almost wiped out by a move to Frogmore Cottage. That is the problem. Andrew with all the abhorrent things that he's done being protected at the cost of millions while Harry is having to fight for personal security. It's a shocking look.

LadyMuckRake · 16/06/2024 10:28

yeh, i'd like to know how dilapidated it is. Is it that the cupboards are a bit dated?

Or is it crumbling in places, bathroom tiles allowing moisture into the structure?

Baital · 16/06/2024 10:32

Harry isn't having to fight for personal security though. His security needs are assessed and provided for whenever he visits the UK (as long as he gives reasonable notice).

Karolinska · 16/06/2024 12:23

In the sense that he took a case to court Baital.

Passiflora2 · 16/06/2024 12:42

Baital · 16/06/2024 10:32

Harry isn't having to fight for personal security though. His security needs are assessed and provided for whenever he visits the UK (as long as he gives reasonable notice).

Yes exactly. What he wanted was security paid for in the US using a private firm . At tax payers expense.