Nigeria 4!

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Let the conversation continue!

@CathyorClaire I met with a friend this past Memorial Day weekend. She commented that I am the only American that she knows who is interested in H&M. She also pointed out that they have no actual power and just come across as typical Hollywood types. As far as she is concerned, their behavior doesn't reflect on the RF as everyone has clueless relatives.

She was a caddy girl too. Never knew this. Interesting. There's so much blurb out there though which is made up. Photo of her looking pregnant visiting a cousin in jail and photos of her as a yacht girl with Prince Andrew.

'Never complain, never explain' is increasingly inexplicable and indefensible as the circus antics heighten.

Actually I think it's still a good move. What are they going to say that's going to help matters? Anything said by the rf is going to inflame the situation further - the Sussex Squad would have a field day, the bot factories would go wild. Harry and Megan's increasingly foolish and reckless behaviour speaks for itself and anyone with any common sense sees that. The Princess of Wales has behaved with grace and dignity, unlike her denigraters.

I think Meghan has told Biden that she is 40% Irish and Harry is 80% leprechaun and because Biden just loves the Irish so much due to his own ancestry, he’s protecting them….😂

Biden gets it. Hell, he invented it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/05/biden-jewish-greek-puerto-rican/

She also pointed out that they have no actual power and just come across as typical Hollywood types. As far as she is concerned, their behavior doesn't reflect on the RF as everyone has clueless relatives.

I think that's a generous take from someone who (with all due respect) is just an interested bystander. US citizens aren't the ones coughing for Harold's vexatious litigation or footing the costs of bringing his vanity project their way nor potentially subbing that lusted for security bill.

Well said!

Don't make me come over here

There’s a lot of money to be made by someone who can actually uncover the truth about MM. it can’t be that hard to discover for someone who is prepared to do the digging. Surely the RF would have run background checks on her before Harry married her?

I saw on another thread the other day one of the pro Sussex posters talk about how awful and disgraceful it was that Save the Children had received so many awful posts on X following them posting about the visit in Nigeria. But there has been no condemnation and there was no mention of the hounding and reporting of the Trussell Trust in relation to the just giving page from the SS.
I know it’s not just me who gets frustrated by it all……🙁

At that time I was posting about extremist people on both sides posting destructively on sm, but that was fairly well rejected on here.

I agree that’s the Trussell Trust was hounded by one lot, and we then saw the hounding of the Save The Children fund by the other lot.

Similarly, when Meghan and Harry were going to Nigeria - we saw anti h&m posters on sm referring to Nigeria as a country with corrupt dictators in government. But as soon as the First Lady of Nigeria was thought to have possibly criticised Meghan’s dress we saw a sm attack on the First Lady from the pro H&M posters (though not here, I noticed).

This rubbish is repeated day after day in many different ways. I’ve now come to think of the attacks on Meghan and Kate as being more of what we’ve seen all through history - the vilification and dehumanisation of women who stick their heads above the parapet. At first they’ll be praised, then vilified and dehumanised, then they either break under that weight or manage to make it through. But I suspect those that survive know that the media and public can come for them again at any time. (I’ve posted a link to a magazine article that is an easy but sad reading - about famous women who have experienced this. I was thinking about how much longer that list could be and how many women we could add to it.)

A the same time that I was posting about the extreme polarised responses on sm, i also posted about how the tabloid media was stirring the pot, and while concurrently pretending that it is not, it is pointing a finger at sm posters as being the sole villains re royal gossip.

(‘Both sides’ is a clunky phrase but I’m not sure how to phrase the polarisation we see on here and on Twitter and other SM).

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/g35489023/10-famous-women-who-were-brutally-destroyed-by-the-press/

None of women are perfect (who is?) but none of them in any way deserved the attacks they endured: They are only a small sample of this phenomenon.

@CathyorClaire Well, my tax dollars are currently paying for that visa trial. Not to mention the cortege of police cars that escorted him 200 yards during his last NYC visit. Plus if he gets IPP status I, as an American tax payer, must pay for that, too.

I did point out H believes the First Amendment is bonkers.

I don't really get your point

"we saw anti h&m posters on sm referring to Nigeria as a country with corrupt dictators in government. But as soon as the First Lady of Nigeria was thought to have possibly criticised Meghan’s dress we saw a sm attack on the First Lady from the pro H&M posters (though not here, I noticed)."

Nigeria IS corrupt, it ranks near the bottom of the most corrupt countries in the world, it is a fact. It's not something just made up by critics of H&M, the UN and other global organisations report on it regularly. Honestly, I would be surprised if it is only critics of H&M who point that out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggn9w5875o

Just sae this on BBC website. Scary.

Thedom, I wasn’t saying Nigeria doesn’t have high levels of corruption - this was not my point but it seems I’ve not been clear enough. So, I’ll leave that. Take my example re Nigeria and throw my example out.

Some People on both sides are picking and choosing who they believe or don’t believe at any given time, in order to support their own narratives. It’s not based on much objectivity and it’s becoming irrational.

Some sm posters are so intent on casting Meghan in the role of Wicked Witch that they have no objectivity. Same with those that are extreme anti -Kate (and anti William, RF) sm posters. Yet all think they are being objective and ‘know’ the truth.

There’s discussion on here that there could be Russian or Chinese’s interference in the form of bots and paid trolls. But honestly, I look at certain sections of tabloid media and think Russian/Chinese interference really isn’t needed. The tabloids are doing a great job of influencing and manipulating.

Sly stories (once again) in the tabloid about Rose being the most recent that I can think of. At that time we saw an increase/resurgence on sm questioning Kate’s absence. One fed the other.

The difference between the Catherine and Meghan dislike is that most of the spew about Catherine can be directed back to harry and Meghan, the same cannot be said for Catherine. The current pusher of Kate absence is a man who was hired by Meghan by his own words, who I generally do not believe but as he then appeared on the documentary I’d say he’s being honest this one time. The same with Catherine racism allegations stem directly from Harry. No media needed although I see no difference between media and the Sussexes.

Exactly, well said !

Most of the posters on this thread said how awful it was that Save the Children had to turn off comments on X. Me included. We agreed it wasn’t on so you are incorrect here. I didn’t see such same comments from pro posters of the Sussexes about the Trussell Fund. when it was being discussed.

Also, the Sussex Squad didn’t just comment on an X post. They completely hounded the charity, mass complaining to the charity commissioner, and mass reporting to the police, trying to actually shut down a charity that does excellent work. They bullied the charity across all platforms on every thread. It perfectly illustrates the point that was made that it’s actually not remotely the same. Yes there is hate on “both sides” however, they are not equal in their extremism.

Trying to shut down a charity and reporting it for fraud is in no way similar to posting comments on a single post on X. I hope you agree!

Also, the royal family are not behind the pro royal/anti Sussex agenda. Whereas, it’s fairly evident that the Sussexes endorse and drive the pro Sussex/anti-royal agenda. You’re obviously following this thread so I don’t think I need to explain once again why I think this.

Just need to add @Wickedlywearynamechanged that many of us on this thread have been members of this platform years with the same username. I bloody hate my boring username. It’s shit! But I won’t change it because it’s shady to IMO, and I like that we recognise each other across the platform. Whereas there are constant name changers from the pro Sussex posters. Some even register to post on one thread. Now that’s suspicious! I no longer engage with new usernames on the Royal board because it happens so often. But it’s interesting that you think there are paid bots on this thread 🤔 I haven’t seen one as yet. Thankfully.

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This rubbish is repeated day after day in many different ways. I’ve now come to think of the attacks on Meghan and Kate as being more of what we’ve seen all through history - the vilification and dehumanisation of women who stick their heads above the parapet. At first they’ll be praised, then vilified and dehumanised, then they either break under that weight or manage to make it through.

I agree these attacks, when they're basically misogynistic, are vile. But honestly - they're not confined just to the women! Go on the appalling Celebitchy and see what they say about William and Charles. The spite is palpable. Those people are truly sick.

I'm not denying that there's a special vemon reserved for females in the public eye, partly because of the male gaze, but not solely - women can be just as antagonistic. As Germaine Greer so chillingly said 'Women have no idea how much men hate them'. BUT! My antagonism to Meghan is absolutely based on her words and actions, and not on misogyny. I suppose I tend to see her as the less dim member of that unholy partnership, and it certainly does look as though she is the catalyst for Harry going so ridiculously off the rails in terms of spouting rubbish and hurting his family, so yes, I do assign blame to her for that - she's somehow fanned the smouldering fires of childish resentment within him for her own ends.

OK, I've only been on MN for a few years and didn't see what was written on here in the early days of H & M, but I've never seen anything as bad as X or Celebitchy here, with regard to Meghan or Harry. The stuff targeting Catherine earlier in the year here was of a different order, though. I got the impression there were a lot of unfamiliar or new posters who'd come in to put the boot in (maybe on instructions from the SS?). Current discussions about H & M are critical but perfectly rational and civilised.

The occasional moronic comment from someone with a silly user-name on the lines of 'Why do you care?' or 'You don't know these people!' does tend to give the mercenaries of the SS away!!

Fair points.

Both sides getting played 😡

What are they going to say that's going to help matters?

I think matters are beyond help. They're at the point of needing to be seen to do something or looking like the Harolds are running rings round them (as they are). Maybe C could start with removing the link on their page on the Royal website that directs to puff on the increasingly questionable Archewell?

Has anyone seen the report of H and M having a huge row in a restaurant on their anniversary?

@LaurieLeecountry where has this been reported?

I'm just musing during my lunch break, I wonder if public opinion regarding H&M could be turned around, it was for Camilla.

No Laurie

I am not sure a row between a couple is news but you would think if they were going to do that, they’d keep it for home.

Unwise at best if true.