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imdonefor · 20/03/2024 20:37

I'm not really reading many of these threads or buying into the conspiracy theories, but when I saw this I immediately thought of Jacinta Saldana, the poor nurse who took her own life after accidentally being at the centre of the hoax call to the hospital Kate gave birth in.

Now people are seemingly willing to put their livelihoods at risk on purpose to access her records.

Madness.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 20:53

benjoin · 20/03/2024 20:13

Sure they are under investigation- if innocent I hope they are found innocent but if you're going to the loo you lock the screen/log out. Basic IT security.

I know that you know that, and many others know that but as per my post, millions either don't know that or are too lazy or too trusting until it happens

Sadly, "basic" is not that simple and in the fast-moving environment etc, people still do get caught out

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 20:57

imdonefor · 20/03/2024 20:37

I'm not really reading many of these threads or buying into the conspiracy theories, but when I saw this I immediately thought of Jacinta Saldana, the poor nurse who took her own life after accidentally being at the centre of the hoax call to the hospital Kate gave birth in.

Now people are seemingly willing to put their livelihoods at risk on purpose to access her records.

Madness.

yes, "seemingly," yes, not a fact and not proven.

People are curious and we had at one of the places we worked a well known, seriously nasty person on our records for an assessment - people were reminded about appropriate use of data when we received this referral.

Even these days, too many people may still feel they cant be found out for looking at records they are not supposed to. They are never found out unless reported or someone gets to check what people and who has been looking at whom

You may recall a few years ago some cops were pulled up for looking up their new lover, ex, next door etc etc. You get these breaches in every insutry

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Helpisso · 20/03/2024 21:19

So why was my comment deleted? Just warning people not to get too involved.

benjoin · 20/03/2024 21:25

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 20:53

I know that you know that, and many others know that but as per my post, millions either don't know that or are too lazy or too trusting until it happens

Sadly, "basic" is not that simple and in the fast-moving environment etc, people still do get caught out

They get told in training. They will know that

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 20/03/2024 21:32

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 20:53

I know that you know that, and many others know that but as per my post, millions either don't know that or are too lazy or too trusting until it happens

Sadly, "basic" is not that simple and in the fast-moving environment etc, people still do get caught out

In an NHS setting, it is drilled into you that you lock your computer and take your access card out of the reader. If there was a data breach and it was done under your card or login and you said you think someone else did it under your details you would still get it trouble for not locking your computer/logging out/taking your card out. It’s your responsibility to ensure that patients data is kept secure and you would be considered culpable for not securing your computer which contains sensitive data. It’s a sackable offence.

sandrapinchedmysandwich · 20/03/2024 22:13

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 09:44

Slightly different, you may recall the media accessing mobile phones in the early days of mobile phones - this is because most people did and still do leave their password at default setting and its easy to guess.

I've worked for the council and I've worked in several positions and in two of them also had access to NHS records. I was clear on what I could and could not access. I actually reported a member of staff of inappropriately looking up work mates case loads.

You reported a colleague for checking other colleagues workloads. Wow! Perhaps the workloads were not fair. Perhaps the colleague wanted to see how the other recorded things for their learning. I can't believe you actually reported this. People don't generally check others workloads for fun and this is nothing like looking up famous people / family / friends files

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 22:38

benjoin · 20/03/2024 21:25

They get told in training. They will know that

No one say people are "told" - as I said, some cops were pulled up years ago as it was an almost done thing over there years ago

AFAIC, they are innocent

I do find it odd that there is no police action and this story go to the press. I wonder who leaked the story as it can't have done the hospital any good as many well-to-do/famous people go there

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 22:45

sandrapinchedmysandwich · 20/03/2024 22:13

You reported a colleague for checking other colleagues workloads. Wow! Perhaps the workloads were not fair. Perhaps the colleague wanted to see how the other recorded things for their learning. I can't believe you actually reported this. People don't generally check others workloads for fun and this is nothing like looking up famous people / family / friends files

perhaps the colleagues as you put it did not comprehend the basics of data protection, nor recall having to seek consent from the manager if they wanted to check non-client records and on a need-to-know basis. It turned out this person and another had a long history of looking up others case work where there was no need at all and there was a reason for this. They did this to undermine/gosspie the other persons work

It was standard procedure for the suty office we took turns to make a note, brief not records opened, EG,, Date/time/name of duty officer and example of reason, "client rang seeking w/l info.."

There are many "perhaps" but rules are rules and if you are incapable of understanding basic rules and or follow them, you are either not fit foe the purpose and or will get the sack.

Yes I did report them and glad I did as they were checking my work and work of three others and it was not for research purposes, hence the official warnings.

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Groovy48592747 · 20/03/2024 23:51

What's it got to do with The Sun/Mirror/tabloids anyhow and how do they know her data might be breached, what concern is it to them. Or are they just creating a story.

I remember this happening with a celebrity a few years ago, I forget who, he said to the hospital to let it go, he didn't want any staff to get in trouble.

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 04:32

What's it got to do with The Sun/Mirror/tabloids anyhow and how do they know her data might be breached, what concern is it to them. Or are they just creating a story
Yes exactly. I don't belive this story. I also expect Kate will have be treated privately.

shoppingshamed · 21/03/2024 06:09

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 04:32

What's it got to do with The Sun/Mirror/tabloids anyhow and how do they know her data might be breached, what concern is it to them. Or are they just creating a story
Yes exactly. I don't belive this story. I also expect Kate will have be treated privately.

Do you mean you don t believe it happened?

What would be the circumstances that would mean the clinic would report a potential breach to the ICO if there was no evidence that one had occured?

benjoin · 21/03/2024 06:12

They will have had some sort of watch or lock on the records. It's triggered an alert. So they are investigating it. It seems perfectly reasonable to question.

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 06:38

Basically the Sun along with the Mail and Express represent the worst of humanity.This is basically a story and could well be a fairy tale. I don't know what's gone on with the CIO but I believe the papers want Kate stories right now.

Marchintospring · 21/03/2024 06:58

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 20/03/2024 07:32

I stated this in another thread but will state it here too. I don’t understand people’s reasoning that they are entitled to know medical details about the royal family just because we pay for them. Do they expect to know the medical details of anyone who has ever claimed benefits (including child benefits)? Because if they do it will soon become a slippery slope.

If I get divorced I would want it done privately. Charles and Diana’s was announced by the Prime Minister. Things are not the same.

The country doesn’t need details but the current vagueness on her condition/ illness seems irregular.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 21/03/2024 09:45

Yes, I too was wondering who tipped off the press and why?

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nappyvalley2024 · 21/03/2024 09:55

I think the temptation would be too great in that setting, can't say I wouldn't have had a look too.

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 10:30

So who leaked to the press that someone tried to access Kate's medical notes. Why would the hospital do that. I don't think they would. And it happened the day after the farm shop photo. And why were we subject to this photo. Lots of untruths going on I think.

areyoutheregod · 21/03/2024 10:46

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 10:30

So who leaked to the press that someone tried to access Kate's medical notes. Why would the hospital do that. I don't think they would. And it happened the day after the farm shop photo. And why were we subject to this photo. Lots of untruths going on I think.

Someone from KP leaked it., it's a good distraction from their ineptitude.

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 11:34

Kensington Palace leaked it did they - putting the hospital's reputation in question amongst other things.

MrsFinkelstein · 21/03/2024 12:02

Ooh, nice. Now we're onto victim blaming. Right on schedule.

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 12:04

Why leak it?

MrsFinkelstein · 21/03/2024 12:11

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 12:04

Why leak it?

We don't know who leaked it. Your bias immediately caused you to assume KP leaked it.

It has been referred to the ICO, the Met, and obviously staff at The London Clinic know about it.

A leak could have come from at least 4 different entities (possibly more). I mean, the Met are obviously beyond reproach.

It may have come from KP - but its no more likely than it coming from anywhere else. Its also been reported The London Clinic delayed reporting the breach to the ICO (should have been done within 72hrs).

BoohooWoohoo · 21/03/2024 12:22

It’s probably good practice to announce it rather than it emerge later because it could scare off other rich patients.

Inkanta · 21/03/2024 12:25

Why leak it to the press though. What's the motive. Why would the met, hospital or ICO do that?