Another Royal photo photoshopped

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Another terribly badly photoshopped photo with th Queen

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@LightSwerve @weareallqueens
Photographers have been editing people in and out of photos since the mid 1800’s! It’s EXACTLY the same! Cutting negatives and exposing bits and pieces together is almost as old as photography itself. I’ve only done amateur level editing in darkrooms, but the professionals back then were expert at it- doing almost exactly what we’re seeing here, albeit not with a computer.

We did a family (children and grandchildren) photo back in 1998 for my parents; my youngest pulled all sorts of faces in every single photo except when my DH and I had a photo taken of just us and our DC. Photoshop was in its infancy but the studio arranged for his head to be swapped over so my parents have a lovely photograph on their wall. It's even less of a big deal now.

@Karatema have you read other comments? Cab you understand why your photo in your family home is very different from this situation?
I have a funny framed photo of a fake moon landing in my toilet, that is fine. But if the Times published it as a real photo that would be a major issue.

Coming from an establishment like RF people expect everything to be very high standard. The workers at the palace will know what the protocol is for submitting photos. It's been happening for years. If they are being submitted to depict an event that took place then surely they can't be fake . . . or tell a lie.

It doesn't look like Louis was there when that photo was taken. Nor were Louise and her brother and possibly George and the little girl next to him. George and Louis both have extra lighting on their faces - none of the others in the same position have the same lighting.

@JPGR removing eye bags and adding whole human beings into a phot is an entirely different thing.

Not a big deal for public figures including a then Head of State (referring to the Queen with the children photo) to publicly fake meetings / events that never occurred (which is what is being alleged)?

I think that is a very big deal! (I also don’t think it happened but that’s not the point).

If two or more photos taken on the same occasion are merged, my understanding is that’s allowed. If someone who wasn’t there is added in, that’s not.

It’s apparently easy to check which has occurred if the original photographs are available but for some reason, the RF won’t provide them so the checks can be done. All of this speculation could easily be shut down but for some reason, Kensington Palace won’t take the actions that would do it.

Also this.

I have no problem believing the Queen may not have been walking in the weeks prior to her death. But she definitely walked onto and off the balcony for her last appearance up there.

I remember the outcry about the Queen’s absence following Diana’s death, imagine if social media had been a thing back then, it would have been unbearable!

I quite agree. I was responding to the specific point that someone didn't believe use of photoshop etc. was widespread because they were 'sure' their specific child's nursery photo wasn't edited.

@VictoriaToria yes the plebs are not supposed to have a voice.

Yes ,so true 😅

Maybe the gutter press should spend less time pestering the family for information about the Princess of Wales' health and speculating about the state of her marriage. They should have let her recuperate in peace.

Thing is, Kensington Palace have managed to screw up the PR badly enough it’s not just the gutter press, it’s reputable broadsheets too.

I do believe Kate is ill but the mess with the PR and the odd past article about her being a calming influence on William makes me wonder how many of the PR issues are because she’s not well.

I don't really understand all the comments saying everyone photoshops stuff etc. It's not ok when it's not acknowledged. It's one thing to tweak a background colour, it's quite another to release a photo of something that never happened or is a misrepresentation of something that happened. If this were to start happening with news photographs from war zones etc then we would have no way of knowing what was real anymore.

Also, you do have to ask why, if they were going to do a composite photo of all the great grandchildren, the Sussex children weren't photoshopped in? I remember when this photograph was released that it did seem like a big fuck you to Harry & Megan - and I'm not even a fan of theirs TBH, I'm a republican. It was argued at the time that they weren't in the country so couldn't be there but if half the other children weren't there either then that does raise questions. The problem with the curtain being lifted is that once the inner workings are seen then the magic is gone.

People have been open about royal photos being manipulated before and funnily enough there wasn’t any outcry. Here;s an article from 1999 about a family group photo from Edward and Sophie’s wedding being digitally altered to change teenaged William’s face in the bride and groom’s preferred shot, because he wasn’t smiling:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/374584.stm

Yes, as has been said multiple times, swapping in part of a different shot from the same day to get a group where everyone looks good has always been fine.

Adding a person in who was not there has never been OK.

It is being suggested with both photos that additional people (Kate, possibly the Queen, possibly several of the children in the shot with the Queen) were never there. That has never been acceptable.

It’s the equivalent in the link above of William having flatly refused to go to the wedding (obviously didn’t happen) and the photographer using a photo of him at a wedding 6 months earlier to pretend he was there. If that had happened, the photograph would be an outright lie.

It is apparently very easy to prove that photos are tweaked (what is normally meant by photoshopping) rather than fabricated to show an event that never happened (what various conspiracy theorists are claiming has occurred). For some reason KP are refusing to provide the evidence which is allowing the conspiracies (both about what happened and why) to flourish

Adding a person in who was not there has never been OK.

But as has also been said several times, we don’t know that this happened in the Mother’s Day photo.

Well both Truss and BoJo verified it and she died two days later.

Absolutely - personally, I don’t think it did. That’s not the point. The point is there was extensive photoshop that could be consistent with either classic photoshop (allowed but possibly not a good idea with the Mother’s Day photo which was released to try and quiet literally months of fevered speculation) or full on fabrication (not allowed) and KP has refused to provide the evidence either way.

People who know how these things work say it would apparently be really easy to prove there was just some classic photoshop with access to the original photos but KP are refusing to do provide that access.

It means there is absolutely no point in anyone (and many people other than you have done so both on this thread and elsewhere on the internet) posting ‘photoshop has always been OK’ when that’s completely irrelevant as that’s not what is being alleged to have occurred.

Again, I think the photos are probably genuine - just tidied up a bit - but nobody but KP can prove that (by releasing the originals) and they are flatly refusing to do so. Which is letting the conspiracy theorists claim they can’t because the originals don’t exist and the photos are a patch job from multiple photos on multiple previous occasions.

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Every single appointing of a new Prime Minister has been videod. This was not videod. Why? Even just for a few seconds. The Queen is looking at Liz Truss’s abdomen. Why? The Queen took this photo alone a couple of months before so it could be used at any stage and with any new Prime Minister in case she became too unwell to do so.

This happened nearly 3 years ago 😳😳😳

I couldn’t care less if it was photoshopped. In fact if it was, I’m glad it was as it’s a lovely picture of the late Queen and her grandchildren and I like it as much now as I did then. And I imagine the children are very happy also to have such a lovely picture with granny.

Also, you do have to ask why, if they were going to do a composite photo of all the great grandchildren, the Sussex children weren't photoshopped in?

Because Harry and Meghan probably said no to it. It really is as simple as that.