REUTERS: Only a minority of Britons under 50 support the monarchy

[TallerSally]

The chart below, along with the unprecedented level of social media (and even royalty!) mocking around Katespiracy and Katephotogate, could send a chill down the RF's spine.

Whilst 70% of those aged 65+ and 50% of the 50-64 (the demographic on MN?) support the monarchy, this drops to 30% among the 25-49 and ONLY 19% among the 18-24s - YouGov Jan 24 data.

Some will say "that's nowt new!" But with TikTok, X and other SM having unprecedented reach (far more than mainstream media) and cultivating literally thousands of GenZ and Millennial mini-influencers, and with the RF in its current state of turmoil (some of it illness-related, some not, incl. Prince William being largely MIA, the RF's reluctance to deal with Prince Andrew and his grifting ex-wife, Rose Hanbury and extra child (!!) rumours, the casting-out and continued vilification of M&H, the embarrassment that is uncle Gary, etc etc), are comparisons to a decade ago going to be helpful in predicting what this means for the RF in the future? I doubt it.

We all know the billionaire RF continue to sustain their taxpayer and IHT exemption-funded luxury lives thanks to the public's goodwill, hence they employ loads of professional PR people to do their comms. But if there's anything recent events have shown, KP in particular suck at it, with the KP comms team the subject of derision and ridicule around the globe.

It's easy to say "they've weathered worse", but the past isn't a guarantor of the future. I'm sure Boris Johnson also thought he could lie to the public forever... until one day, the tide turned. Not saying this is an identical situation, but the recent lies emanating from KP (I'm sorry, issuing a fake 'proof of life' photo is equivalent to telling a lie) are part of a culture of secrecy and public manipulation.

And consider this: last August, the above numbers were:
80% of those aged 65+ and 67% of the 50-64s support the monarchy, versus 56% among the 25-49s and 37% among the 18-24s. So a drop of 26pp (percentage points) for the 25-49s, and 18pp for the 18-24s.

And who's to say what the numbers will be post-Katephotogate?

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/uk-monarchy-suffers-an-impairment-its-goodwill-2024-03-13/

*No one is playing the victim and Roussette is more than capable of sticking up for herself - and unlike some on here she does it in a really moderate way too - but literally every time she posts about five or six of you pile on her when she has as much right to express her opinions as anyone else! And that pisses me off frankly!

You jumped in and mentioned Rousette, I didn’t mention any names.

Did you want to respond to anything in the main part of my post? People seem to be avoiding my questions 🤷‍♀️

Yes you must be confused @TallerSally . Care to answer my question relating to the proposition in your OP? What are you doing to further the cause about which you write prolifically?

Is it true that MPs in Parliament can't even discuss an alternative to the Royals? I know they take the Oath of loyalty - I've always thought their loyalty should be to the people not the royals.

Yes they have to swear allegiance to the monarch

1-No my post doesn’t contradict that.

2-I don’t recognise your posting name from any of the Royal threads Mugglewump so why would anyone choose to pile on you? Whereas Roussette’s posts are continuously pulled apart, as are the posts of anyone recognisable who holds Republican views.

-3 And with respect, you have chosen to interpret that comment as “pulling rank” when it was a simple statement of fact about how long someone had been posting.

Nice try!

Anyway, back to our knitting.

I'm assuming moving to a more democratic and cost-effective co-habitation with the RF could likely be a very lengthy process.

Which raises the question - what could be the first steps? For example, how much of an upheaval would tackling the monarch as head of state issue be? Can this be done in stages?

You said I didn't understand and I explained that I did. It seems that it is you who don't understand what I said and you are trying to fluff the whole issue now by talking about something else . To repeat once and for all a poll of about 2000 odd people is hardly a basis for your post. I can see why you would want it to be .

This sounds like one thing that should be addressed right away!

To repeat once and for all a poll of about 2000 odd people is hardly a basis for your post.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Nice try at what? Trying to figure out if your activism goes beyond the keyboard. Exactly who is bringing about the revolution? Because young people might moan in a survey, but if they are not joining in grass roots activism and if the people who profess to be leaders are absent, then there will be no change. Just moaning and more boring moaning.

How? How are you bringing about that constitutional change?

Hey, I've got a suggestion for you, seeing as you're finding this "moaning" so "boring" and all.........................

Under the Parliamentary Oaths Act 1866, members of both Houses of Parliament are required to take an Oath of Allegiance upon taking their seat in Parliament, after a general election, or by-election, and after the death of the monarch

I can't look it up at the moment but I believe there was a bit of a hooha when one or two MPs have not wanted to do this

I think this law needs to be changed, it's not far off 200 years old!

Why don’t you want to answer any questions on the propositions you place in this thread? Yes, moaning is boring. Actions are interesting. You say this needs to happen, that needs to happen. So what are you republicans doing to make it happen?

The ‘royals’ have no mandate .
Tberefore they need to enjoy a clear majority of support or the situation becomes very problematic

Re the Windors can royalists answer Tony Ben’s checklist re power because that is what this is really about :

Windsors :
What power have you got ?
Where did you get it from ?
In whose interests do you exercise it ?
To whom are you accountable ?
How can we get rid of you ?

and that's ok really. You don't need to justify it. In my work I need to use much more rigorous sources but I understand perfectly as this is only a chat board. For me it would be a no.

The BBC back in September 2023 (ostensibly commenting on the Aug 2023 YouGov poll results in the OP):

"Historian and royal commentator Ed Owens says the lack of support among the young should "certainly be of concern" to the Royal Family.
But he says it will be difficult for the royals to turn this around, when many of the factors are outside their control.
Dr Owens says opposition to the monarchy is part of a wider sense of "disenchantment" for younger generations about issues such as unaffordable housing, stagnant wages and student debt.
"The system doesn't seem to be working for them, so why should they celebrate an institution that seems to be at the heart of that system?" says Dr Owens.
But he says there is hope for the monarchy in the popularity of some individual royals, with Prince William appearing to have an appeal across age groups.
Graham Smith, chief executive of the anti-monarchy campaign Republic, said the survey showed a "general trend of falling support, and that younger people will not be won back to the monarchist cause".
"Sooner rather than later we'll see support for the monarchy fall below 50%," he said."

I will be interested to see the latest polling...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66707923

If you support the royal family why are you interested in this?

Agree!

It's interesting that at least a couple of MPs refused to toe the line last time around...

I wonder what could make this number grow... could we be in for some surprises after the next UK gen election?

@TallerSally yes that is the same poll now repeated by the BBC. Lazy reporting. It is the same old stuff hashed around and around the same as we have been seeing with the Princess of Wales. It just goes to show how the media have to be handled with kid gloves.

Oh yes, he was a stalwart, Tony Benn

As is Norman Baker. Just for anyone who is interested he has updated his book since Andrew. It is gobsmacking to read, and being an ex member of the privy council he has a lot of knowledge

www.amazon.com/What-Do-You-Royal-Family/dp/1785906216

Well if the revolution is imminent, of course I will be interested. And if you want to change the minds of the populace you should be interested in giving examples of tangible action, a coherent action plan, an understanding of the constitutional ramifications and a clear vision of what the future looks like. Exactly how is the revolution coming about, who is taking the action, what will it look like. Why can’t any of you answer the questions? If you are foot soldiers for this, you should be able to provide examples of action you have taken. If you want to bring about the more democratic system you claim is achievable and you are the leaders in this, then you need to be transparent about what you are doing for all the populace to see, not just the ones who support you.