QEII would never have let this s**t show happen!?

[OliviaBean]

I didn't always agree with how she dealt with things, particularly Andrew but since she passed away, it seems no one is at the wheel.

I don't think Charles is strong enough to deal with them all.

H&M are monetising away, Kate seems to have said f*k it and f*k conforming (good for her) and William, god knows what he's playing at.

I just can't imagine the current situation would have occurred if QE was alive.

Classic Kate v Meghan pitting here OP.

Meghan is a grifter - monetising away (ie earning a living), but Kate says "fuck" to convention and good for her!

Indeed. But apparently that’s not acceptable either. Oh the irony.

Although I do actually feel that KPs PR could have handled this better. This should have all been closed down with some well crafted statements and it would have shut up the baying media mob. The nutters on SM would never have shut up though.

They were hardly ‘cast out’ @DoggieMommie 🙄

@Overtheatlantic
Re Diana
"She was much beloved by the everyday people. Have you seen the pictures of the flowers left outside Kensington Palace? She was a superstar and people felt they knew her."
Not to everyone. Yes, there were lots of flowers outside BP when Diana died, but the majority of the population (like myself, and others I knew), just carried on with our lives and were a bit benused by all the furore. I felt a bit sad for her family including her two sons, but then, she wasn't wearing a seatbelt, etc
BP stated at the beginning that Catherine would not be around until Easter at least, and have since said that there has been no change in that statement.
Harry and Meghan were not thrown out, they left of their own free will, and what they do is not up to BP.
In the past, the late Queen 'retired' from public duties for the duration of her pregnancies, and there was no fuss, but then there was no social media to dissect everything.

Yeah, but this isn't the 1950s any more...

Ooh, in the future we’ll start seeing “This thread was started by a PSP [previously sued poster], thanks for the reports.”

A voice of reason amidst the madness

The only difference was no social media.

Yes, someone made this up, thinking everyone would say 'Oh poor Queen. She hates Harry and Meghan and wants her great grandchild to know that she hates her being named after her'
It was pointed out that when children are going hungry, maybe the richest woman in the world saying 'all I have is my name' is not a good look so then whoever made it up said 'Oh no that's just a rumour.'

You’re missing the point. In the majority of cases the threads would simply be taken down as demanded by legal teams.

Whenever a post about a celeb or e.g. the Mccanns is removed, while in some instances it’s simply because it’s “not in the spirit of the site”, in other instances it’s because of threats of legal action.

This is why for e.g. MN’ers were not permitted to talk about Gina Ford for a considerable length of time, because of threats of legal action.

There have been posters on here who have been contacted by MN regarding legal threats around their posts, who have been told that there has been a threat of legal action and if that poster chooses for the post to remain they will be personally be liable.

MN will, if it needs to, take action to prevent anyone from being held legally accountable, be that in the case of a story about Kate or one about any other celebrity or happening, but if e.g. other outlets start to be threatened with or having legal action taken against them, MN will clamp down hard before it even gets to that for them.

Didn't she also try and get the pensioners winter fuel payment and some COVID payments? The Windsor Castle thing was why they ended up agreeing to pay tax. Because the furore about it was so bad. The staff who risked their lives by running into the building, directed by Andrew, to rescue the paintings were given fire damaged stock from the shop as thank you gifts if I remember correctly.

Didn’t have to see photos - lived and worked in London at the time. There was a huge wave of grief tourism.

She had been part of the furniture of people’s lives, but because she was the star of the Royal soap opera and a fixture on the front pages of the tabloids, and then she was suddenly gone and people were shocked. However, that is not grief.

The demand that the Queen should be performing grief, instead of supporting her grand children, was abhorrent.

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The Queen was still the last of the Royals to conduct herself with dignity and present as a real Monarch.

I don’t have an in depth knowledge of Royal history, but Edward VIII abdicated and was a Nazi, Edward VII was a serial adulterer, Victoria just disappeared from public life, the Georges had a secret marriage/went mad/didn’t speak English. The Stuarts/William&Mary were either getting their heads chopped off or mounting coups, and before that you have the Tudors.

I don’t know what a real Monarch is supposed to do, but dignity seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

Certainly a bit of photo editing and some time off after an operation seems very boring in comparison to the antics of most Royals.

You forgot the last but one person to unlawfully suspend Parliament, Charles I.

(Last one was Boris Johnson, not that I am advocating this treason should result in the death penalty).

Last King William had ten children with someone not his wife.

I was including Charles as a Stuart, but hadn’t realised King William had 10 illegitimate children!! Off to investigate.

Actually I think I vaguely remember something about this in Bridgerton…

From Wikipedia:

“George III was left with twelve children but no legitimate grandchildren. The race was on among his sons, the royal dukes to marry and produce an heir. William had great advantages in this race—his two older brothers were both childless and estranged from their wives, who were both beyond childbearing age anyway, and William was the healthiest of the three.”

Ha I always think about past royalty and their homicidal tendencies when someone wonders if they murdered Diana.

I don't think they did, but honestly offing unwanted relatives to maintain/gain power is part of their family tradition, so I wouldn't put it past them.

I don't think Charles is strong enough to deal with them all.
He's ill, presumably undergoing chemotherapy - not an easy ride.

H&M are monetising away
Not so long ago everyone wanted them to make their own money - they've started their own business - good for them.

Kate seems to have said fk it and fk conforming (good for her)
Kate has had a fairly serious op - they've said she'll be back at work after Easter. It isn't Easter yet.

and William, god knows what he's playing at.
He was at the Diana awards day before yesterday.
Playing pool with some kids earlier this week. So BAU for him.

I’m struck by how much current behaviour is in the family tradition - going non contact, relationships with actresses, arguments over money - but benign in comparison.

It's staggering to think anyone ever imagined this anecdote would reflect worse on Harry and Meghan than the queen! Quite an own goal there.

Thank you - a voice of reason. It's just got ludicrous and completely overblown.

plenty of shit shows in QE’s time fgs