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THE TIMES: Where is Kate? The royal family attracts more speculation by the day

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TallerSally · 09/03/2024 10:11

On today's front page, the Times' Kate Mansey reports on the contrasting approaches taken by KP and BP's comms teams in their handling of the extraordinary situation the RF's currently in. It kicks off with the current host of the US's Daily Show (formerly hosted by the formidable Jon Stewart) asking some questions:

"While the King hosted friends and met world leaders, the Palace’s reluctance to comment on the Princess of Wales’s condition has created a rising sense of panic
One of America’s most popular TV comedy programmes was asking the question that had captured the nation. It was not about the Super Tuesday primary contests ahead of the US elections, or the State of the Union address, which elicited an exaggerated yawn from the presenter.

Instead, The Daily Show’s Ronny Chieng turned to look straight into the camera to ask: “Where is Kate Middleton? Where are you, Kate?”

There was no rush to provide reassurance this week from the Prince of Wales, who appeared to begin his working week on Friday with a visit to the Oval cricket ground for his Earthshot environmental campaign. Aides said that William had been busy all week, just not in a way that was visible to the public.

The King was doing the opposite. Away from public duties on doctors’ orders while he undergoes cancer treatment, the monarch had been expected to take this week as scheduled time off. Despite being told to “slow down” by the Queen, who took her own advice and flew to sunnier climes for a few days of relaxation, the King was ramping up.

He was photographed meeting world leaders and ambassadors from his living room at Buckingham Palace. Away from the cameras, he hosted friends who rallied round for afternoon tea and dinner dates. He insisted on the “more public” option of travelling between Buckingham Palace and his more comfortable private quarters at Clarence House in the State Bentley, so that he could “be seen”. Quite what the Queen made of it all from her sun lounger is anyone’s guess, but there are those in the palace who have an idea."

A tongue-in-cheek piece, but raises some interesting questions: have KP messed up the comms around Kate? and William? What is really going on with them? Why is the Royal family-funding public kept in the dark for so long, when usually not a couple of days go by without us having some nicely staged photo of some kind from Kensington Palace?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/where-is-kate-prince-william-king-charles-cancer-khktpx9bm

Where is Kate? The royal family attracts more speculation by the day

While the King hosted friends and met world leaders, the Palace’s reluctance to comment on the Princess of Wales’s condition has created a rising sense of panic

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/where-is-kate-prince-william-king-charles-cancer-khktpx9bm

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LiterallyOnFire · 09/03/2024 14:23

No" is a complete sentence, as we say on MN.

Well by that token, "I've had surgery. I would like my medical information kept private. I appreciate all the support and I'll be back at work after Easter", is a complete explanation.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/03/2024 14:23

Gettingbysomehow · 09/03/2024 14:19

Who are all these people in a panic? I'm not. She's recovering from major surgery. That is all. Are they supposed to wheel her out on the balcony every day or what?

Only on here and other SM. I know someone who works in the Queen's Gallery and she's not mentioned it at all. No-one else I meet day to day has, either.

Charles has also decided to make himself visible maybe to reassure people?

I can understand that. He's the HoS and when the late queen was at the end of her life there was a lot of speculation about her health and how frail she was and what might be wrong with her. He's gone the route of 'nothing to worry about, not dropping off the perch yet' - which, give that he's 75, people might be wondering about.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/03/2024 14:25

DaphneduM · 09/03/2024 14:18

Because of the unusual situation of two senior Royals being ill at the same time, it's been glaringly obvious that the comms teams of BP and KP have very different approaches, and it's easy to compare and contrast. I think BP are older, wiser and more experienced and led by the King with the more outward facing and open approach. KP seems the opposite and all over the place. Snippy and defensive in tone.

Obviously we're not meant to know exactly what's going on with the health of either the King or Kate, which is fair enough. Charles has also decided to make himself visible maybe to reassure people? I absolutely would not want or expect Kate to be seen until she is absolutely ready for the inevitable scrutiny. However do you really think it's just about Kate? I ask this because straight away William announced that he was not doing engagements for a month - and while he has since changed his mind, he seems to be doing the absolute bare minimum. I think there is a serious issue or issues apart from Kate's health going on at present. In my opinion it's just as much about William as Kate. He seems under serious strain. Hopefully things will get back to normal by the summer.

I think the issue with William is simply the timing of his father’s cancer being discovered.

His wife was having surgery and significant time off. He was having a month off. All clear and planned.

Then his father’s minor prostate issue became something much different.

So he can’t really have the whole month off as planned, but the situation that led to him wanting the month off hasn’t actually changed.

LiterallyOnFire · 09/03/2024 14:25

Gettingbysomehow · 09/03/2024 14:19

Who are all these people in a panic? I'm not. She's recovering from major surgery. That is all. Are they supposed to wheel her out on the balcony every day or what?

Like a royal cuckoo clock? 😊

I'm finding this whole thing fascinating. Nobody IRL here is talking about it or putting forward conspiracy theories but online everyone seems to have lost the plot.

Pluralism · 09/03/2024 14:25

Cleaningupthemess · 09/03/2024 14:20

Well, I find that strange. We were told Kate had abdominal surgery and would be off until Easter. I personally don't believe in conspiracies, so I am taking that information as correct

I can say that is correct . Not sure how soon after Easter she will be back though. Although it is definitely her right to keep her surgery/recovery private, it has certainly made the whole situation needlessly rife for speculation.

Except "after Easter" has now been pushed back til mid June. That'll be six whole months, but don't worry, plenty of very forceful posters telling us emphatically that everything is exactly as KP have stated - no more, no less, and they must be right. 😕

DodoTired · 09/03/2024 14:26

I think all KP staff is incapable, PR including. How they handled Megan and Harry (before it blew up, or rather before it blew up because of their handling) is an example. The whole “who made who cry” was an example of ineptitude in PR, and now they are doing the same

SloaneStreetVandal · 09/03/2024 14:26

I started reading and I can't fathom what KP and BP refer to? Initialing needs to be prohibited on mumsnet! 😂

AlbertoDilemma · 09/03/2024 14:27

SloaneStreetVandal · 09/03/2024 14:26

I started reading and I can't fathom what KP and BP refer to? Initialing needs to be prohibited on mumsnet! 😂

Nuts and oil

LiterallyOnFire · 09/03/2024 14:28

SloaneStreetVandal · 09/03/2024 14:26

I started reading and I can't fathom what KP and BP refer to? Initialing needs to be prohibited on mumsnet! 😂

Kensington Palace & Buckingham Palace.

EdithWeston · 09/03/2024 14:31

LiterallyOnFire · 09/03/2024 14:23

No" is a complete sentence, as we say on MN.

Well by that token, "I've had surgery. I would like my medical information kept private. I appreciate all the support and I'll be back at work after Easter", is a complete explanation.

That's pretty much what KP have said on her behalf.

I don't think more is needed - and if supplied all it would do is feed the ghouls' next round of nitpicking.

She's on sick leave until around Easter (I've thought all along that her first public appearance will be church on Easter Sunday, possibly with an announcement a bit before that confirming her return - so they can start putting things in her diary)

It's completely different for the King, who continues to work even though he is postponing public engagements.

DaphneduM · 09/03/2024 14:32

DodoTired · 09/03/2024 14:26

I think all KP staff is incapable, PR including. How they handled Megan and Harry (before it blew up, or rather before it blew up because of their handling) is an example. The whole “who made who cry” was an example of ineptitude in PR, and now they are doing the same

This.

Minkyfalinkinky · 09/03/2024 14:32

I've a feeling she is quite unwell and its pretty serious. I hope she is ok

Cleaningupthemess · 09/03/2024 14:39

I agree the PR teams the royals use, are pretty shit. They can afford the best of the best, yet they repeatedly have a knack of making things worse.

Bridgetta · 09/03/2024 14:42

FriendsDrinkBook · 09/03/2024 12:49

I remain utterly convinced that she and the Prince are separated and thrashing out a divorce settlement. Nothing stated by BP and KP has been consistent or believable enough to buy into this surgery line.

I think so too

LadyMuckonpancakes · 09/03/2024 14:46

DaphneduM · 09/03/2024 14:18

Because of the unusual situation of two senior Royals being ill at the same time, it's been glaringly obvious that the comms teams of BP and KP have very different approaches, and it's easy to compare and contrast. I think BP are older, wiser and more experienced and led by the King with the more outward facing and open approach. KP seems the opposite and all over the place. Snippy and defensive in tone.

Obviously we're not meant to know exactly what's going on with the health of either the King or Kate, which is fair enough. Charles has also decided to make himself visible maybe to reassure people? I absolutely would not want or expect Kate to be seen until she is absolutely ready for the inevitable scrutiny. However do you really think it's just about Kate? I ask this because straight away William announced that he was not doing engagements for a month - and while he has since changed his mind, he seems to be doing the absolute bare minimum. I think there is a serious issue or issues apart from Kate's health going on at present. In my opinion it's just as much about William as Kate. He seems under serious strain. Hopefully things will get back to normal by the summer.

I also think William is under serious strain. He seems very weighed down and unhappy, and has seemed that way for quite a while.

Crispedia · 09/03/2024 14:46

I think social media and then the press feeding off social media are creating a storm in a teacup. The Palace said Catherine was having abdominal surgery and would not be doing public duties until at least after Easter. Why the need to not accept that? It’s ridiculous.

Viviennemary · 09/03/2024 14:47

Bridgetta · 09/03/2024 14:42

I think so too

Makes me wonder too. But shouldn't speculate really.

Crispedia · 09/03/2024 14:50

I also think William is under serious strain. He seems very weighed down and unhappy, and has seemed that way for quite a while

It’s not surprising if he is. His brother trashed him publicly and what ostensibly seemed a close sibling relationship has completely come apart.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 09/03/2024 14:52

LiterallyOnFire · 09/03/2024 14:15

Well that's the nature of the beast @TallerSally

It's not really government and it's not truly telenovela, either. They're half people, half institutions. So there's emotion in the mix, not a comms team that acts commercially.

If we don't like it - and I'm not a huge fan - we need to discuss a sensible way to stand down the monarchy.

Hounding an individual woman while she's ill and cooking up frankly barking conspiracies, well it's not a rational response to disliking the system.

I completely agree. There is a valid debate to be had about the future of the monarchy, but piling pressure on one individual when they're taking time out because of sickness is not the best way of approaching this.

HutontheBeach · 09/03/2024 14:53

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Cherryana · 09/03/2024 14:53

I hate these threads. So maybe I shouldn’t post on it. She is not well. She is recovering. She doesn’t belong to ‘us’. She is a person and not just a role. People get sick. People have issues. Recovery from an issue is not linear. People get signed off work all the time.

I wish people would give it a rest.

TallerSally · 09/03/2024 14:54

Pluralism · 09/03/2024 14:25

Except "after Easter" has now been pushed back til mid June. That'll be six whole months, but don't worry, plenty of very forceful posters telling us emphatically that everything is exactly as KP have stated - no more, no less, and they must be right. 😕

Precisely.

Re-posting the next tranche of the Times article which I posted upthread, and which rather blasts the "she'll appear after Easter" narrative from KP. It's quite something when even government departments are getting the "WE'RE THE BOSSES HERE" rebukes from KP:

"Meanwhile the Princess of Wales, who is recuperating from abdominal surgery, was not supposed to be seen at all. It didn’t quite go to plan. Two images of Kate emerged which served to alarm and enrage Kensington Palace for different reasons. The first was a paparazzi shot of the princess being driven around by her mother, Carole Middleton, which, having been sold to popular American news and gossip websites, promptly went viral.
A second, more innocuous image showed Kate in her role as the Colonel of the Irish Guards on a Ministry of Defence website. The palace brought in the big guns to shoot it down. The Army’s offence? Not the picture per se, but the mere fact that the Army had the temerity to suggest that Kate would be attending a troop review on June 8.
No matter that the date was nearly ten weeks after her anticipated Easter return to duties. The problem appeared to be that Kensington Palace must be allowed to control when and how it makes such announcements, not an organisation as insignificant as the British Army. The Ministry of Defence beat a not-so-hasty retreat, updating its ticketing site later that evening to remove any reference of the princess while she is missing from action."

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HutontheBeach · 09/03/2024 14:55

Cherryana · 09/03/2024 14:53

I hate these threads. So maybe I shouldn’t post on it. She is not well. She is recovering. She doesn’t belong to ‘us’. She is a person and not just a role. People get sick. People have issues. Recovery from an issue is not linear. People get signed off work all the time.

I wish people would give it a rest.

Exactly.

And people forget that when she is seen again, she will be scrutinised from head to toe, as will every move she makes as part of the speculation into what was wrong.

She needs to be 100% fit to face all of this.

ilovesooty · 09/03/2024 14:55

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 09/03/2024 13:15

Another bullying thread I see. I’m glad KP are taking the stance it has. Leave the woman to recover in peace. And if they are separating we will find out in due course.

Yes. I can't believe the post about "making the thread tiresome" if you dare to say that you don't think you are entitled to more details than we've been given.

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