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Minutewaltz · 29/12/2023 16:06

Yes. It's entirely the fault of his family ( as well as Royalists who are so desperate to keep a Royal Family

I was led to believe that republicans were going to keep quiet until the Queen died and then, with the backing of the majority of the population, unleash their anti-monarchist forces and within a short time there would no longer be a crowned head of UK.
Angrycat, you sound like a supporter of the republican movement; when will the country wave goodbye to this institution that the majority hates?

ANightingale · 29/12/2023 16:23

I was led to believe that republicans were going to keep quiet until the Queen died and then, with the backing of the majority of the population, unleash their anti-monarchist forces and within a short time there would no longer be a crowned head of UK.

They tried and were arrested for acts of extreme violence such as holding up a banner saying 'Not my king'.

goodbyestranger · 29/12/2023 17:51

They tried and were arrested for acts of extreme violence such as holding up a banner saying 'Not my king'

Grin
Araminta1003 · 29/12/2023 19:10

Seriously, I thought the British public on the whole love the monarchy? Or at least, a greater percentage have always been in favour of the monarchy vs those who are either indifferent or want it truncated/reformed/abolished.

I think all boys public schools are quite rare these days, but nobody has pointed out the fact that at least there would be no girls throwing themselves at Prince George if he went to an all boys school. I wonder if that is a consideration at all, especially for Prince William. I thought he was quite uncomfortable with all the adoration when he was a teen? Or is that just another cliche?

Araminta1003 · 29/12/2023 19:14

In addition, Catherine Middleton appears quite intelligent to me and got a place at Edinburgh uni which is not that easy to get into; she got AAB at A Level which in today’s currency is the equivalent of two A stars and an A. So quite high achieving. Research suggests intelligence and educational attainment follows the mother’s side more. Therefore, I would expect all 3 royal children to be intelligent.

ANightingale · 29/12/2023 19:15

Araminta1003 · 29/12/2023 19:10

Seriously, I thought the British public on the whole love the monarchy? Or at least, a greater percentage have always been in favour of the monarchy vs those who are either indifferent or want it truncated/reformed/abolished.

I think all boys public schools are quite rare these days, but nobody has pointed out the fact that at least there would be no girls throwing themselves at Prince George if he went to an all boys school. I wonder if that is a consideration at all, especially for Prince William. I thought he was quite uncomfortable with all the adoration when he was a teen? Or is that just another cliche?

Polls usually come out in favour of the monarchy, meaning that a majority of people who are prepared to answer polls want to keep it.

Before the death of Queen Elizabeth, there were always idiots saying they wanted to keep the monarchy but the crown should pass straight to William. Goodness knows why they thought there would be any choice. I would have liked to have seen their reaction when, moments after Elizabeth's death had been confirmed, Huw Edwards said "... and the King is preparing to leave Balmoral".

Angrycat2768 · 29/12/2023 19:43

Minutewaltz · 29/12/2023 16:06

Yes. It's entirely the fault of his family ( as well as Royalists who are so desperate to keep a Royal Family

I was led to believe that republicans were going to keep quiet until the Queen died and then, with the backing of the majority of the population, unleash their anti-monarchist forces and within a short time there would no longer be a crowned head of UK.
Angrycat, you sound like a supporter of the republican movement; when will the country wave goodbye to this institution that the majority hates?

I'm not particularly a Republican, mainly because I think it's a largely futile exercise. There are far more pressing constitutional matters that are more important and are of far more consequences than abolition of the Minarchy. What I would like to see is accountability. Where if the Monarch demands exemptions from legislation, it is openly debated in Parliament so everyone knows that's what they want. And where they are subjected to the same laws as the rest of us and cannot have wills etc kept secret for 100 years just to spare their blushes. I would like a European style monarchy. Much slimmed down, not just in personnel but in assets snd titles. I would also like the Monarch to swear allegiance to us rather than the other way round, and the Nationsl anthem to be about us, the citizens of the country rather than about one person. I think apathy is the most common response to the Monarchy though, so no one cares enough to challenge the status quo.

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 06:32

Given the examples of an Etonian education that we've had the pleasure of experiencing in government in recent years, Marlborough appears to be a very sensible choice.

Araminta1003 · 01/01/2024 07:23

“Given the examples of an Etonian education that we've had the pleasure of experiencing in government in recent years, Marlborough appears to be a very sensible choice.”

The more significant common denominator is actually studying at Oxford university - most of our recent politicians went there and many read PPE, one read Classics.

Surely the modus operandi is more determined by university? Are you not giving a school far too much credit?

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 09:05

You are mistaken if you believe that is credit.

goodbyestranger · 01/01/2024 09:36

The more significant common denominator is actually studying at Oxford university - most of our recent politicians went there

The majority of our current Supreme Court Judges also studied at Oxford.

Surely the modus operandi is more determined by university?

In the case of the politician/s newnamethanks is probably talking about, I would say their approach to life and politics was pretty hard core before freshers' week. So I disagree. But as a more general non Eton observation I would agree. Also, lots of Etonians who got into Oxford in the past now probably wouldn't get an offer. Numbers have slumped.

Araminta1003 · 01/01/2024 10:13

“Also, lots of Etonians who got into Oxford in the past now probably wouldn't get an offer. Numbers have slumped.”

David Cameron got a First at Oxford, he deserved to be there. Boris Johnson was a scholarship kid at Eton but did not get a First at Oxford. Neither of those 2 are stupid, far from it.

Perhaps being too intelligent is not actually a good thing as a politician? Maybe Oxford is actually the problem and Eton just a convenient deflector. Maybe the arguing for arguing’s sake that comes out of Oxford is actually a substantial issue.

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 10:18

Don't concern yourself with any overly intelligent politicians, they are vastly outnumbered by the practitioners of mediocrity that pass as our current government.

Araminta1003 · 01/01/2024 10:20

Out of 57 prime ministers, 30 went to Oxford and 14 to Cambridge. That is where the real elitism lies.
Starmer did not go to Oxford so that is a start.

Maireas · 01/01/2024 10:25

Araminta1003 · 01/01/2024 10:20

Out of 57 prime ministers, 30 went to Oxford and 14 to Cambridge. That is where the real elitism lies.
Starmer did not go to Oxford so that is a start.

He got a post graduate degree from Oxford.

goodbyestranger · 01/01/2024 10:29

I think it was a BCL. Hardly going to have time to join the Bullingdon Club etc doing a BCL.

The theory of Oxford creating problems is ludicrous.

goodbyestranger · 01/01/2024 10:32

Araminta1003 I was talking about the droves of Eton kids who used to go seamlessly to Oxford. David Cameron would obviously still get in.

Maireas · 01/01/2024 10:33

goodbyestranger · 01/01/2024 10:29

I think it was a BCL. Hardly going to have time to join the Bullingdon Club etc doing a BCL.

The theory of Oxford creating problems is ludicrous.

A socialist like Starmer was never going to join the Bullingdon Club!

Angrycat2768 · 01/01/2024 10:33

Araminta1003 · 01/01/2024 10:20

Out of 57 prime ministers, 30 went to Oxford and 14 to Cambridge. That is where the real elitism lies.
Starmer did not go to Oxford so that is a start.

The difference is that if you are bright and motivated, you can go to Oxbridge. It is not restricted to the same type of people, from the same class, as Eton is. Possibly the problem is that they take their elitism to Oxford where they need to work a little harder to avoid people not like them.

goodbyestranger · 01/01/2024 10:35

Also Eton is shifting too, esp under the current HT. Hopefully that includes telling the rf where to go if they can't get their kid or kids in on merit.

Mylovelygreendress · 01/01/2024 10:38

goodbyestranger · 01/01/2024 10:35

Also Eton is shifting too, esp under the current HT. Hopefully that includes telling the rf where to go if they can't get their kid or kids in on merit.

Edited

You really are obsessed with the idea that George has failed the entrance exam for Eton ! When I asked you about it earlier in the thread you said it was clear that his parents wanted him to go there but have repeatedly refused to say how you know this !

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 10:44

Failing an exam, or low pass marks, has not prevented royal educational choices before and that's likely to continue. To believe otherwise would be very short-sighted.

Minutewaltz · 01/01/2024 10:49

You really are obsessed with the idea that George has failed the entrance exam for Eton.

I think goodbyestranger hopes George has failed the test.

Mylovelygreendress · 01/01/2024 10:52

Yes I think you are correct @Minutewaltz . So when he goes to a different school ( as I think he will ) they will return with “ I told you so”.

goodbyestranger · 01/01/2024 10:56

I'm not obliged to tell you any sources of info Mylovelygreendress.

I'm not obsessed. However I do like the idea of this vacuous and fairly toxic rf being told to push off and if George's lack of educational choices is collateral damage, so be it. As we've agreed, he doesn't need a top education anyhow, far from it. I also don't believe for a moment that I'm short sighted. Things change.