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William's Life's Work Is To End Homelessness.

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BucksorHerts · 06/12/2023 10:10

Just seen this post about an article in the Daily Mail.
William say's life's work is to end homelessness. His father is (and soon enough himself) the largest land owner in the country.
Instead of posing with the same homeless guy year in and year out asking commoners to end homelessness surely he can carve out some of that land to build low rent flats and studios for the poorest. He never gives up any of his money for anything but is always asking. His expenses are paid for - holidays, children's fees, accommodation etc.
Or even use all the money that comes to them from people who died intestate. It's unhealthy to accumulate so much wealth without doing any work. Even doctors who study for years and save lives do not get anything close to this. It makes no sense.

https://twitter.com/IncaDove/status/1732261729869201635?s=19

William's Life's Work Is To End Homelessness.
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parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 17:36

I've worked in that environment (not that famine, I was only a teen). Negotiating with the local powers that be.

It is incredibly complex, and difficult to weigh up the advantages vs disadvantages to the local population.

The alternative is to be a purist, and let people starve.

People survived because of the Live Aid money. Other chunks of it were used to continue the conflict.

The reality is for aid orgnaisations - as faced by them today e.g. in Gaza - is that you either give up on the civilian population and leave them to die, or you negotiate access and support with regimes you would prefer did not exist.

Personally I think it is a cop out to wash your hands of a situation and let people die.

The alternative is to do what you can, continually balancing the harm and the good you are potentially doing. Far more challenging, and there are no easy answers.

And all too easy to sneer at by the people who don't get involved.

Just as friends working in the homeless sector have to continually balance the support they offer to many of the homeless with tough love. Many of their service users have substance abuse problems, and/or untreated mental health problems. Those who are easy to rehouse tend to get something fairly quickly. Then you have the people who are not attractive tenants - but they still deserve care.

If they get enough support they might find enough within themselves to make it into a better life for themselves. However, there will be blips on the way. The people supporting them have to continually make judgements about when to draw the line and when to evict.

There are no simple answers

mantyzer · 11/12/2023 17:41

Bob Geldof was warned by relief agencies who understood the situation not to do this.
https://www.spin.com/2015/07/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 17:48

spin.com?

yes....

there are more credible sources!

Anyway, having worked in the field, and completed relevant training (I recommend the Open University's MSc in Develpoment, including the Civil War, Civil Peace module if they still offer it) I can confidently say you are letting your prejudices over-run your knowledge.

There are certainly inadvertant consequences to be aware of in any action, and they need to be thought through. But the Live Aid funding had benefits as well as problems. It wasn't an unmitigated success or unmitigated failure.

As with so many interventions, abroad or at home

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/12/2023 18:03

@mantyzer thanks for all your interesting and well informed posts on this thread.

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 18:04

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/12/2023 18:03

@mantyzer thanks for all your interesting and well informed posts on this thread.

😂

Roussette · 11/12/2023 18:06

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/12/2023 18:03

@mantyzer thanks for all your interesting and well informed posts on this thread.

I echo that.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/12/2023 18:06

what was that for @parksandrecs ?

Roussette · 11/12/2023 18:07

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/12/2023 18:06

what was that for @parksandrecs ?

I'm afraid there's a lot of rudeness going round today. And a lot of pathetic memes along with the emojis.

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 18:08

Because it completly ignores my points! Maybe because they are uncomfortably relevant?

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 18:10

No attempt to refute them, despite maybe more credibility (Open university vs spin.com).

A bit pathetic

mantyzer · 11/12/2023 18:10

Lots of mainstream sources covered the same ground, but they are not free to access. Just google.

Roussette · 11/12/2023 18:10

My posts get ignored all the time. It's the nature of a forum. Don't take it so personally

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 18:12

Well, if you prefer spin.com to the Open University, that's up to you! I take account of credible sources, and adapt my opinons accordingly. Instead of selecting my sources to fit my prejudices

mantyzer · 11/12/2023 18:13

@parksandrecs can you post links that show Live Aid had a positive impact?

Firefly2009 · 11/12/2023 18:14

100% agree

This makes him look like such an idiot

Reminds me of the time he sang "Living on a Prayer" with Bon Jovi. No self awareness and no idea what that actually means

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 18:21

This? BBC apologises over Band Aid money reports - BBC News

As i have said, from working in a similar context, it is tricky. You can leave people to starve, or negotiate with people you would rather weren't in power.

It is lovely to wash your hands and congratulate yourself on your morals.

Or you can do your best to make life better for people in the worst of situations

BBC News

BBC apologises over Band Aid money reports

The BBC apologises over "misleading and unfair" reports claiming millions of pounds raised by Band Aid was used to buy arms in Ethiopia.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11688535

Iwantcakeeveryday · 11/12/2023 18:21

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 18:08

Because it completly ignores my points! Maybe because they are uncomfortably relevant?

excuse me? I was not talking to you and I am not obliged to read ir reply to anything you say. I am allowed to praise another poster without t having anything to do with you. Please stop being rude.

parksandrecs · 11/12/2023 18:23

I have posted since

Roussette · 11/12/2023 18:25

It is lovely to wash your hands and congratulate yourself on your morals.

Or you can do your best to make life better for people in the worst of situations

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You cannot hold yourself up as the moral bastion of 'making life better for others'. You do not know what other people do for the good of their communities and for others. So saying 'it's lovely to wash your hands and congratulate yourself on your morals' is fucking rude to be honest.
Give it a rest for god's sake.

Iwasafool · 11/12/2023 18:54

I'm in the south west, local news on BBC just announced Plymouth are spending £15m to buy up houses to save money they are spending on B&Bs. Maybe the way forward.

EdithWeston · 11/12/2023 21:43

Didn't he promise to devote his life to the issues in the Middle East. And then never said another word about it

No, he didn't - that was something said to him, not by him - it was the Palestinian leader who reaffirmed "“full commitment to achieving a full and lasting peace"

'You have not been forgotten,' Prince William tells Palestinians | Palestinian territories | The Guardian

This is one of those internet myths that won't lie down and die

mantyzer · 11/12/2023 22:27

"And as the trip ended he told them: “This is the start of something new. I will forever honour my commitments to the people I have met.”
An insider revealed: “The politicians who affect this younger generation’s lives may only be in office for five, 10 or 20 years – but William knows his duty is for life.”
Tradition dictates that royals stay neutral rather than entering the political landscape at home or abroad.
But sources say William wants to play a significant role in bringing “peace and prosperity” to the Middle East and intends to use his global platform as a force for good in the region."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/middle-east-peace-lifes-mission-12828059

Prince William vows that peace in the Middle East will be his "lifelong project"

The Duke of Cambridge, 36, has made it his mission to campaign for a “just and lasting peace”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/middle-east-peace-lifes-mission-12828059

EdithWeston · 12/12/2023 12:59

The only commitment that he is reported to have made is that he will not forget them. He doesn't go near making an undertaking to do anything.

And of course he'd wish them "peace and prosperity" - that's a 'motherhood and apple pie' statement - he's hardly going to go say "conflict and poverty" is he ?

Unless he comes out and says himself that he wants/has any part to play, then this is all tabloid invention. Especially as they don't even say "royal sources", "palace sources" or "sources close to PW"

mantyzer · 12/12/2023 13:13

Whether it is tabloid invention or not, it was reported in the media. So people did not just invent this themselves.

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