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Carol Middletons master plan revealed. Ridiculous & impossible for Carole to have engineered the royal wedding.

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Bahhumbug23 · 30/11/2023 10:18

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/royals/carole-middleton-master-plan/

This is so completely fabricated. There is no way Carole or Michael for that matter could engineer William & Kate's relationship. The royals are notoriously insulated even the most aspirational of parents would struggle to break into the upper middle classes if they were not born within them.

It Was Apparently Always Carole Middleton’s Master Plan for Eldest Daughter Kate to Meet and Woo Prince William, New Book Claims

“Carole set things up, and Kate took it the rest of the way.”

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/royals/carole-middleton-master-plan

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Bahhumbug23 · 30/11/2023 14:34

Kate went out with Rupert Finch the lawyer for nearly a year in St Andrews before she started going out with William according to the article linked above. If she really had planned to snare William she wouldn't have wasted a year with someone else!

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ChanelNo19EDT · 30/11/2023 14:46

How did she MAKE william want kate. Tell me, cos the only men I want don't want me, even tho I'm not ugly boring or stupid!

Roussette · 30/11/2023 15:06

Bahhumbug23 · 30/11/2023 11:54

Is she aspirational & ambitious?!

Very! Always has been, but got a lot worse since marrying and having kids. I would love to say the kids names but can't!

User14March · 30/11/2023 15:07

The Ms were, IMO, v ambitious for all their children & wanted them to marry, successful upwardly mobile men & women. They’ve instilled healthy self esteem & supported them. I don’t buy specific ‘royal engineering’.

JaninaDuszejko · 30/11/2023 15:21

If any of my DC got into a relationship with a top tier Royal I'd do everything possible to discourage them from the relationship. The press intrusion is not worth it, there's plenty other rich people in those circles that you could marry for the wealth but still have privacy.

What I don't understand is despite William clearly marrying a woman who is perfect for the job of queen there's still this gossip circulating trying to discredit her and her mother (but not her father as PPs have pointed out).

MelsMoneyTree · 30/11/2023 15:28

Only someone who hasn't spent any time at St Andrews could assume Carol could have manipulated, manifested or magicked a relationship between Kate and William.
But the usual suspects will be along to tell us that it's all true Hmm (whilst sweeping their misogyny under the usual carpet)

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 30/11/2023 15:31

If any of my DC got into a relationship with a top tier Royal I'd do everything possible to discourage them from the relationship. The press intrusion is not worth it, there's plenty other rich people in those circles that you could marry for the wealth but still have privacy.

Exactly. And two of Harry's exes rejected the chance of a royal life because they knew what it would involve. I suspect most people wouldn't want to live the royal life.

mrsmingleton · 30/11/2023 16:36

Whenever I see these old photos I always think what a stunning woman Kate has turned out to be and perfect in her role as mother and wife but also as one of the most important visible members of the Royal Family.

Samcro · 30/11/2023 16:59

Maybe she wanted Kate to marry well, as in money.
but how she could engineer William falling in love with Kate is ridiculous

mrsmingleton · 30/11/2023 17:06

It's obvious that she is a witch isn't it?

purplecapricorn · 30/11/2023 19:35

No of course you can't make someone fall in love, but most mothers wouldn't act the way Carole acted.

The Middletons financially supported Kate for ten years, so that she'd always be available for William when he wanted her. When William broke up with Kate (and a whole club full of people saw him jump on a table and shout "I'm free"), Carole threw a party and invited him, to help them get back together. Paying thousands for Kate to join the same expedition in the same village in Chile that William was currently on. Letting Kate drop out of her place at UoE and apply to St Andrew's instead.

A lot of you must have daughters. How many of you would financially support a healthy able-bodied daughter and let her sit on her arse for ten years waiting for a bloke to call so she'd be able to go running whenever he snapped his fingers? Surely most mothers would say, no, get a job, build a career, develop your own interests, don't let your whole life revolve around a man.

If your 25yr old daughter was dumped and publicly humiliated by a bloke who'd been stringing her along for years, would your response be to throw a party for your daughter's ex-boyfriend, so you could try to convince him to take her back? If a bloke had done that to me, my mum would have never let him back in the house unless he grovelled!

Bahhumbug23 · 30/11/2023 20:16

@purplecapricorn but that's beside the point. The article states Carol instrumented the whole relationship prior to when they even met! How Carole parented her adult daughter has nothing to do with the claims!

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purplecapricorn · 01/12/2023 12:18

Obviously Carole wasn't performing voodoo rituals or trying to 'Get Out' William into marrying Kate against his will. He met her, decided he liked and fancied her, dated her, fell in love with her, and eventually married her. But I don't understand the resistance to the idea they might have considered the possibility of Kate marrying him, or tried to engineer a meeting just on the off-chance he'd like her, when so many other girls did.

It's really clear that Carole raised her girls to prioritise marrying rich, titled men. Neither of them ever really worked or pursued careers (well Pippa is now which I actually really admire about her), they were notorious for being the most aggressive social climbers on the circuit. Tons of girls chased William or tried to engineer situations where they might meet William in the hopes of possibly becoming queen one day. Why are Carole and Kate held as being above all that?

William's university saw a big increase in admissions at the time, I went to St Andrews a few years after they left and heard so many crazy stories, that there were always girls visiting who didn't even go there just to try to meet him. One of my best friends now is Prince Andrew's ex-girlfriend's daughter at the time so I have a peak into that world, and so many girls tried to put themselves in William's path in the hopes of marrying him. Kate wasn't the most extreme but she pretty clearly did go to at least some effort to put herself in his path.

William did his gap year with a charity in Chile (he had TV cameras following him so it was well-known that he was there and which charity expedition he was on), Kate signed up to the exact same one and flew to the same village in Chile just a few weeks later, the exact same charity, same town, same programme, even led by the exact same person. She applied to and accepted a place at Edinburgh when all the press were reporting that William was going there, then dropped out of her uni place and re-applied to St Andrew's when news came out that he was going there instead. She became his housemate which doesn't just happen by accident. And the infamous catwalk incident where she removed the sweater part of her modelling outfit and decided to wear to pull the sheer skirt above her boobs and wear it as a dress instead. Getting hired for a modelling job and deciding to drastically alter your outfit to be much more sexy and revealing than what the designer intended is a pretty brash move. Like come on of course she was pursuing him and trying to catch his eye. But she wasn't doing anything a thousand girls did.

People act like of course Kate can't have pursued William because her chance of success would have been so low, like it was some huge gamble that happened to pay off, but what gamble? Girls from that background (or at least, the background Carole aspired to) are expected to go to university but they're not really expected to have proper careers so it doesn't really matter what university they go to or what they study, as long as it's a "posh" uni. Even if William hadn't been interested in Kate, pursuing William would have introduced Kate to lots of other eligible aristocratic young men. It's not like Kate was going to be a neurosurgeon but gave up medical school to chase William. If she hadn't married William she probably would have wound up marrying someone else in William's circle or some other posh rich man she met at uni, so it still would have paid off. A lot of posh girls only go to uni to husband-hunt, why is Kate considered so pure and special that she's the exception?

spanieleyes · 01/12/2023 12:22

She is not. Mum may well have sent her off to St Andrews in the hope that she meet someone and marry well, perhaps in her wildest dreams she might have hoped it was Prince William ( although actually a less well known but equally rich partner would have been a better target) but she couldn't force Prince William to pick Kate- as has been said, there was plenty of choice available!

MelsMoneyTree · 01/12/2023 13:10

There will be lots of female students from St Andrews bristling at the idea they are only there to bag a rich husband. Plus it's interesting the implication Carol somwhow manipulated the housemates situation as though that wasn't tightly controlled by the Palace.
I've had lots of friends and relatives attend St Andrews - male and female - both before, during and after when William attended and have spent lots of time on campus, in the student accommodation and in the town.

mrsmingleton · 01/12/2023 20:18

Luckily I managed to sidestep Alex Salmond when I was at St Andrews. Phew!

Serenster · 01/12/2023 22:18

Elizabeth Woodville was another woman who married King and who was deemed utterly undeserving, and whose mother was said to have engineered things to achieve this. But, given that was the 1400s it’s pretty depressing to find the same arguments being made today.

newnamethanks · 01/12/2023 22:59

But she was a witch who threw a spell over the lovely King and lured him thus with her feminine wiles. What else could possibly explain his regal selfs attraction to a 'commoner'? As you say, same attitudes today. Very, very odd.

StartupRepair · 01/12/2023 23:25

How many pretty, confident, sporty and nicely brought up young women were at St Andrews when William was there? Hundreds if not thousands. You can't engineer attraction.
Also most people do not marry their uni sweethearts. I remember thinking that William would end up with someone else by the time he got to his thirties and Kate would be a footnote as the first serious girlfriend. If Carole engineered the meeting, friendship, relationship and engagement against such odds, then she is a master.

Chouxpastryishard · 02/12/2023 05:03

Misogynistic crap.

Roussette · 02/12/2023 06:46

Also most people do not marry their uni sweethearts

I think it's quite common! In their close friendship groups, one DC has 3 couples, my other DC one couple. All at the same Unis as DC, and now married, two couples with babies!

I read an interesting article about the woman who made the dress/material! that Kate wore that supposedly attracted W. She was studying Art or something at Bristol Uni and they were asked to send some outfits to St Andrews for a fashion show. And the rest is history!

Hers was worn by Kate and a few years later after lots of approaches she sold it at Auction
It went for £78,000! She used it for a deposit for a flat and has now become a dress designer!
Nice story!

StartupRepair · 03/12/2023 11:53

None of Charles, Edward, Peter Phillips, Beatrice or Eugenie married someone they dated while at uni. They all married a partner they met later on.

User14March · 03/12/2023 11:56

@StartupRepair Princess B had known her partner most of her life.

SecondUsername4me · 03/12/2023 11:58

I didn't realise parents had this much involvement in uni choices. I don't think my own dm knew where I was going until I had it confirmed.