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William and women's football

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Nono22972 · 17/08/2023 13:19

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12413893/amp/Prince-William-not-attend-World-Cup-final-watch-Englands-Lionesses-face-against-Spain.html

One again, William's neglecting women's football. The Lionesses made history. It is the first time that the English team (male or female) reached the World Cup final since 1966. We all know that if the men had reached the final, he would've been there and probably would've brought George with him.

Queen Letizia and her daughter Sofia will be attending. What's William's excuse? You are président of the Football Association.

This is really disappointing but I'm not really surprised. The young generation of royals are such a joke compared to previous generations. Yes, the Queen’s children had their controversies but when it comes to royal work, they always got the job done.

Prince William will not attend World Cup final to watch Lionesses

Prince William will be watching England's first final since 1966 on the television and will not fly to Australia to see the Lionesses compete, Kensington Palace has confirmed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12413893/amp/Prince-William-not-attend-World-Cup-final-watch-Englands-Lionesses-face-against-Spain.html

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Roussette · 23/08/2023 11:15

LimeCheesecake · 23/08/2023 10:47

But if they publish story A and story B, that’s it. If they publish story B and not story A, or publish a very toned down version of story A, then they might continue to be fed story C, D, E… they get invited to events involving A (where they might get stories on others). Particularly helpful if story A might be hard to prove.

If story A is big enough and possible to prove well enough the lawyers aren’t nervy, they might publish both, but it would have to be good enough to switch off the supply of other stories and invites.

Well said. It's all about which is the juiciest clickbait story IMVHO.

(Wow, an edit button!)

upinaballoon · 23/08/2023 11:25

@MamoruHisaishi ,"William is smart enough to know that the media aren't his friends...". Exactly. Did you see the Amol Rajan programme? The Princes and the Press. I can't remember what AR asked him exactly - something about criticism, you'll be criticised whatever you do - and he said it goes with the territory. I'm sure members of the RF take notice of public opinion, but I expect they're taught from an early age that there will always be a section of people gunning for them, and not to slide into depression every time someone finds fault. Politicians must have to develop the same kinds of thick skins.

"The media have no loyalty to anyone" - spot on, build 'em up knock 'em down. Ho, ho, take the money.

Serenster · 23/08/2023 11:26

If story A is big enough and possible to prove well enough the lawyers aren’t nervy, they might publish both, but it would have to be good enough to switch off the supply of other stories and invites.

If Story A is “big enough” and they are happy they can prove it they will of course publish no matter what the Palace say or do!

And the Press will continue to get invites and other stories no matter what because, for better or worse, the Palace are very aware that strategically it is better to play nicely with the press than to wage war with them (no matter their own thoughts about them - as shown by Charles being overheard grumbling about how he can’t stand Nicholas Witchell, but he still dutifully stood in front of him and smiled for a photo shoot).

LaMarschallin · 23/08/2023 12:41

Roussette

(Wow, an edit button!)

So there is - well spotted!

Morestrangerthings1 · 23/08/2023 12:55

An. Edit button!

How long have we got in which to edit I wonder?

LaMarschallin · 23/08/2023 13:03

How long have we got in which to edit I wonder?

Well, I can't edit my above post any more (just checked).
So less than 20 mins, I guess.
Jolly welcome anyway.
A "Like" button would be great too to stop all that scrolling past massive quoted posts, only to find "This!" or similar at the end.

Morestrangerthings1 · 23/08/2023 13:10

Less than 20. Thanks Las Marschallin.

(I would like s ‘like’ button too: I could have just liked your post instead of writing this thank you post. Makes sense)

Iwantcakeeveryday · 23/08/2023 13:15

LaMarschallin · 23/08/2023 13:03

How long have we got in which to edit I wonder?

Well, I can't edit my above post any more (just checked).
So less than 20 mins, I guess.
Jolly welcome anyway.
A "Like" button would be great too to stop all that scrolling past massive quoted posts, only to find "This!" or similar at the end.

I can;t find it now but MN made a submission to the select committee re the online harm bill and part of that addressed why they do not have a like button and they're committed to not including it. I wouldn't;t want to misquote them but the general gist was that it would encourage targeting of posters and pile ons and the popularity contest we see on say X/Twitter. I'm probably wording it really badly but I read it and thought it was really a wise decision.

LaMarschallin · 23/08/2023 13:24

Iwantcakeeveryday

Interesting - thanks.
Good to know that there's a reason behind it, at least.

Samcro · 23/08/2023 14:42

a like button would be dreadful.

wow

AcesBaseballbat · 23/08/2023 19:16

MamoruHisaishi · 23/08/2023 09:50

Exactly. Why wouldn't they choose to publish both stories instead? It would generate more views for them if they can get two controversies going instead of just the one. The media have no loyalty to anyone, including the royals. The same media personalities who have been criticizing William this week were the same ones who were praising him not too long ago. The positive press by these media figures were seen by a few as William having the means to control the media to his liking when clearly this controversy (and the Caribbean your) shows it’s clearly not the case. I think William is smart enough to know that the media aren't his ‘friends’, and has learned to play their game. To those who say he has poor PR skills, I think it's actually the opposite. He has been accused by his own brother and his wife of all sorts of things via a documentary, interviews, a book, and has also been accused of infidelity, racism, laziness and liking a sexual activity more commonly associated with homosexuality. None of those accusations/efforts to smear him and Kate have worked as the Wales are still very popular not only in the UK, but also the USA, and possibly Canada and Australia. He hardly ever reacts to minor controversies, instead he keeps things private that would make him and kate seem ‘boring’ but it gives the press nothing juicy to report. This strategy isn't unique to him, famous A list celebrities and politicians do the same.

That's just not how the media works, for anyone, ever.

Ask anyone who's ever worked for a record company or PR company, even quite minor celebs have press deals made over them all the time. It's absolutely standard for record companies to offer juicy stories about less important clients in exchange for the press agreeing to not publish a potentially damaging story about a client they want to protect. It happens all the time at every level of fame and in every medium, music, film, reality, royalty.

The press would not ever turn around and print both stories, because then the company in question would never cooperate with them again and would have the specific media outlet or specific journalist blacklisted and removed from their PR invite list, and they don't want that. It's a deal and it's how the media works and everyone who's ever worked in the media even a little bit can confirm that.

Besides the relationship between the press and the royals is a tricky one. The media has always picked one person to demonise and turn the centre of a scandal, if they were just chucking out scandal and negative articles all the time about different members of royalty at random then they'd develop a reputation for being anti-royal, and the demographic of most newspapers (except for the Guardian) skews right wing and broadly pro or neutral to the monarchy. The press want to balance creating enough controversy to sell papers while not pissing off their core demographic, and they do a shitton of market research to find out exactly who is buying their papers and what they want and like. Most people who buy physical papers tend to skew older, and older people tend to have more respect in the institution of royalty. The press know they have to walk a fine line between engineering scandal to sell papers, and not pissing off their core demographic by being perceived as being anti-monarchy or having an agenda.

The press also love to needle people and write hinty articles when they think there might be a potential scandal without coming out and saying anything. They also write negative stories to try to force celebs and royals to do what they want (do more public appearances, for example). It's a constant tightrope with so many different factors and personal relationships built in. That's without getting into the relationships between different royals who all brief the press in their own favour, and sometimes have competing PR.

The papers would much rather have dirt on W than H.
No, they wouldn't. They really, really wouldn't. Not unless it was grade A dirt with solid gold evidence. Again, this shows lack of experience working in a newsroom. Harry sells far more papers than William and is generally considered far more scandalous, better clickbait, and more fair game for scandal (the whole pissing of your core demographic thing - the press can write can only go so far in being negative towards the next King without offending the part of their demographic who are pro-monarchy), and they can write whatever they want about Harry without alienating or being blacklisted by the Palace. They'd need solid proof of major scandal to write something genuinely scandalous about William and there clearly isn't any. They can report on stuff they can twist into William failing to do his job because that way it sounds like they're defending the institution of monarchy and not alienate their core demographics.

I know I'm on record as being hardcore republican but I have worked in the media and news for many years, never in royal news admittedly, but I've seen these kinds of media deals being made over actors and singers lots of times.

Roussette · 23/08/2023 20:06

@AcesBaseballbat

Great post and v informative.

I so agree with this bit....
Harry sells far more papers than William and is generally considered far more scandalous, better clickbait, and more fair game for scandal (the whole pissing of your core demographic thing - the press can write can only go so far in being negative towards the next King without offending the part of their demographic who are pro-monarchy), and they can write whatever they want about Harry without alienating or being blacklisted by the Palace

Iwantcakeeveryday · 23/08/2023 20:18

Yes, great post @AcesBaseballbat and I've read similar from people in media.

PrincessTigger · 23/08/2023 21:04

Ngl the edit button is giving me anxiety already 😅 if you quote a post and then it gets edited what happens?

Roussette · 23/08/2023 21:11

PrincessTigger · 23/08/2023 21:04

Ngl the edit button is giving me anxiety already 😅 if you quote a post and then it gets edited what happens?

The edit facility only lasts 5 minutes or maybe 10 so I think you're ok 👍😄

MamoruHisaishi · 23/08/2023 21:40

AcesBaseballbat · 23/08/2023 19:16

That's just not how the media works, for anyone, ever.

Ask anyone who's ever worked for a record company or PR company, even quite minor celebs have press deals made over them all the time. It's absolutely standard for record companies to offer juicy stories about less important clients in exchange for the press agreeing to not publish a potentially damaging story about a client they want to protect. It happens all the time at every level of fame and in every medium, music, film, reality, royalty.

The press would not ever turn around and print both stories, because then the company in question would never cooperate with them again and would have the specific media outlet or specific journalist blacklisted and removed from their PR invite list, and they don't want that. It's a deal and it's how the media works and everyone who's ever worked in the media even a little bit can confirm that.

Besides the relationship between the press and the royals is a tricky one. The media has always picked one person to demonise and turn the centre of a scandal, if they were just chucking out scandal and negative articles all the time about different members of royalty at random then they'd develop a reputation for being anti-royal, and the demographic of most newspapers (except for the Guardian) skews right wing and broadly pro or neutral to the monarchy. The press want to balance creating enough controversy to sell papers while not pissing off their core demographic, and they do a shitton of market research to find out exactly who is buying their papers and what they want and like. Most people who buy physical papers tend to skew older, and older people tend to have more respect in the institution of royalty. The press know they have to walk a fine line between engineering scandal to sell papers, and not pissing off their core demographic by being perceived as being anti-monarchy or having an agenda.

The press also love to needle people and write hinty articles when they think there might be a potential scandal without coming out and saying anything. They also write negative stories to try to force celebs and royals to do what they want (do more public appearances, for example). It's a constant tightrope with so many different factors and personal relationships built in. That's without getting into the relationships between different royals who all brief the press in their own favour, and sometimes have competing PR.

The papers would much rather have dirt on W than H.
No, they wouldn't. They really, really wouldn't. Not unless it was grade A dirt with solid gold evidence. Again, this shows lack of experience working in a newsroom. Harry sells far more papers than William and is generally considered far more scandalous, better clickbait, and more fair game for scandal (the whole pissing of your core demographic thing - the press can write can only go so far in being negative towards the next King without offending the part of their demographic who are pro-monarchy), and they can write whatever they want about Harry without alienating or being blacklisted by the Palace. They'd need solid proof of major scandal to write something genuinely scandalous about William and there clearly isn't any. They can report on stuff they can twist into William failing to do his job because that way it sounds like they're defending the institution of monarchy and not alienate their core demographics.

I know I'm on record as being hardcore republican but I have worked in the media and news for many years, never in royal news admittedly, but I've seen these kinds of media deals being made over actors and singers lots of times.

Exactly, you just said it, there isn't any solid proof of any scandal surrounding William. And why is Harry considered far more scandalous? Because he behaves in a way that is controversial and there is solid proof of it. For example, photos of nazi costume, Vegas naked photos, acting drunk and assaulting a photographer, calling people racist slurs. Yeah, of course he sells papers, because people are interested in controversies and scandals. And he has directly fed into it with his book, interviews and documentary.

Meanwhile, the scandalous accusations against william are all rumours and gossip, where the people who fuelled the cheating allegations ended up admitting they made it up and another came from a blind item report from a US based gossip website.

Also, what you just wrote about the palace protecting William, the palace clearly have protected Harry too because there’s also been recent accusations from people in the army he worked with that he was allowed special privileges and exemptions to skip mandatory drug testing and so on which was not reported to the media at the time it happened. The palace saved Harry’s reputation by creating a pr image of him as this charming cheeky carefree guy who was close to william and Catherine which clearly wasn’t the case. He even became the most popular royal after the Queen at one point, so if the palace’s aim was to prioritise/protect william at all cost, they wouldn’t have tried to rehabilitate Harry’s image to the public.

Besides the relationship between the press and the royals is a tricky one. The media has always picked one person to demonise and turn the centre of a scandal,

the media did this with Charles and Camilla. Being the heir to the throne didn’t stop the media from turning against Charles, they’ve also done the same to William too, as this controversy shows. The only senior royal person who seems to have escaped media scrutiny and harassment is the Queen. So no, I still don’t believe that the media would choose not to report on something juicy/scandalous about William in exchange for a story about Harry.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 23/08/2023 21:41

PrincessTigger · 23/08/2023 21:04

Ngl the edit button is giving me anxiety already 😅 if you quote a post and then it gets edited what happens?

the matrix is destroyed 😂

StrawberriesSW1 · 23/08/2023 22:28

PrincessTigger · 20/08/2023 09:38

That’s not how jet lag works! You usually take off in the morning UK time (afternoon/evening Australia). As you’ve just woken up, unless you tried to stay awake all night (not recommended for an aiport!!) there’s 0 chance of you doing another 8 hours as soon as you board the plane. Then there’s a stop over mid afternoon/evening, and you have to take all your stuff off the plane while they reload, and board all over again. Usually that’s about 3 hours. By that time you finally start to get tired, the Aussie morning is starting! Then you land usually around late morning/noon and you have to try and survive the rest of the day without sleeping. This usually fails and you crash for a couple of hours and you’re a zombie for the rest of the day… The game is in the evening so W would have to get a flight the next morning. When you finally make it to Aussie evening, do you get to sleep then? Nope suddenly after a day of trying to glue your eyes open your body is suddenly buzzing. Then you wake every couple of hours because your body thinks this is just a power nap.

It's shocking the Queen of Spain could pull it off. He who must not be criticized would have found it too difficult of course.

derxa · 23/08/2023 22:48

To all William detractors
I reference Mary Earps and Jill Scott

Morestrangerthings1 · 24/08/2023 01:55

Thanks @AcesBaseballbat for the informative post.

DewinDwl · 24/08/2023 04:32

Lol I can't believe that jet lag has been trotted out as a good reason for PW to avoid the trip.

My experience of travelling to Australia does not reflect PrincessTigger's account at all. Plenty of people manage to sleep for hours on the plane; airlines are good at trying to get you to adapt to your destinations time zone; not everyone suffers from jet lag; and many of us can function short and medium term on poor sleep.

PW has three kids and no doubt has had many broken sleep nights looking after them - so he could have managed a three hour official engagement whilst sleep deprived. Again queen letiizia and her daughter seemed quite awake.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 24/08/2023 06:44

What a thoroughly amusing and entertaining thread!

So to sum it all up, the excuses are:

Australia is too far away, but still close enough to be a realm in which HRH will be Head of State one day.

Environmental concerns prevent HRH from flying, but HRH will be flying to the US and Singapore to promote an environmental cause.

Protocol demands that HRH can't visit any Commonwealth country before the king does, but Anne visited Canada and New Zealand, and HRH will himself be going to Singapore before Charles does.

HRH is a caring father of three and busy with the school run etc, never mind that the children are all on holiday, have a perfectly competent mother and lots of staff to help.

How dare anyone demand that HRH interrupt his holiday, even though HRH's whole life seems to be a holiday occasionally interrupted by work.

And, most recently:

HRH might suffer jet lag!

All of these excuses are missing the point that the president of the Football Association embarrassingly missed the first World Cup that England has been in since 1966.

On the bright side, we got to see a happy Queen Letty and Infanta Sofia, celebrating a glorious win with joyful exuberance. It was lovely to see members of a Royal family being warm and spontaneous, something that no-one can accuse HRH of being. So on the whole, it is, perhaps a good thing that HRH had all those excuses not to attend!

Roussette · 24/08/2023 07:35

I do agree @MrsMaxDeWinter I am not sure that protocol would''ve allowed W to show such exuberance and sheer delight at a win, should we have won.

The jetlag excuse was the best one. I'm an old fart but did Oz last year, you just plough through it. My DH is the best one at this... he is older than me and doesn't understand what jetlag is, and immediately adapts! And he must be over thirty something years older than W. Why do we mollycoddle our members of the RF so much with ridiculous ideas like he won't cope? He'll hardly be sat in the dreaded middle seat of 4 in economy with luggage at his feet!

Serenster · 24/08/2023 07:41

It was lovely to see members of a Royal family being warm and spontaneous, something that no-one can accuse HRH of being.

Did you not see William presenting the medals to the Lionesses when you won the Euros last year then? He was absolutely delighted for them.

CloudyMcCloudy · 24/08/2023 07:44

MamoruHisaishi · 23/08/2023 21:40

Exactly, you just said it, there isn't any solid proof of any scandal surrounding William. And why is Harry considered far more scandalous? Because he behaves in a way that is controversial and there is solid proof of it. For example, photos of nazi costume, Vegas naked photos, acting drunk and assaulting a photographer, calling people racist slurs. Yeah, of course he sells papers, because people are interested in controversies and scandals. And he has directly fed into it with his book, interviews and documentary.

Meanwhile, the scandalous accusations against william are all rumours and gossip, where the people who fuelled the cheating allegations ended up admitting they made it up and another came from a blind item report from a US based gossip website.

Also, what you just wrote about the palace protecting William, the palace clearly have protected Harry too because there’s also been recent accusations from people in the army he worked with that he was allowed special privileges and exemptions to skip mandatory drug testing and so on which was not reported to the media at the time it happened. The palace saved Harry’s reputation by creating a pr image of him as this charming cheeky carefree guy who was close to william and Catherine which clearly wasn’t the case. He even became the most popular royal after the Queen at one point, so if the palace’s aim was to prioritise/protect william at all cost, they wouldn’t have tried to rehabilitate Harry’s image to the public.

Besides the relationship between the press and the royals is a tricky one. The media has always picked one person to demonise and turn the centre of a scandal,

the media did this with Charles and Camilla. Being the heir to the throne didn’t stop the media from turning against Charles, they’ve also done the same to William too, as this controversy shows. The only senior royal person who seems to have escaped media scrutiny and harassment is the Queen. So no, I still don’t believe that the media would choose not to report on something juicy/scandalous about William in exchange for a story about Harry.

Yes this

They'd need solid proof of major scandal to write something genuinely scandalous about William and there clearly isn't any.

And this

because people are interested in controversies and scandals. And he has directly fed into it with his book, interviews and documentary.

Harry inadvertently gives the media what they want because he’s angry at it still, and provides so much content trying to take a win

William is the opposite and will use established events and channels. There’s not much to sell

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