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Quite want Megan to start The Tig up again, anyone else?

122 replies

Embelline · 19/06/2023 16:46

Ignoring everything that's been said about them, on a completely shallow surface level I quite want her to restart this and do the influencer type thing that's being bandied about. The pictures were all very pretty and I would definitely give it a visit as I love her make up and fashion choices, not that any of it would be within budget!

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jeffgoldblum · 26/07/2023 12:09

No one would say Nicholas cage wasn't a very great actor, yet no one says he's a nepo baby!

Sussurations · 26/07/2023 12:12

Exactly - Kate may not exactly be a feminist role model but what she does do is fulfil her unique role very well.

The actresses and entrepreneurs mentioned are formidable talents and achievers who have made names for themselves - some have been helped by family connections but have been great successes all the same.

Meghan’s achievements in life are not to be sniffed at but she is hardly on the level of Martha Stewart or Gwyneth Paltrow, and she has no clear USP or niche.

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 12:17

jeffgoldblum · 26/07/2023 11:59

To be honest I'm more amused at Gwyneths roles in the blockbuster marvel films being brushed aside as not being in her prime! 🤣🤣🤣

No, I'm not putting Gwyneth down. Stop twisting things.
She was a lead actress back in the day. In marvel movies she is a spouse with a minimal role with a few hours. In earlier days she would have been one of the super powers - that was the my point.

How is pointing out that Gwyneth is no longer a lead dragging her down, when others are keen to point out that MM is not a lead, not dragging MM down?

MrsFinkelstein · 26/07/2023 12:18

AliceOlive · 26/07/2023 12:06

Meghan’s father won an academy award.

Think it was an Emmy?

tigger2022 · 26/07/2023 12:21

Meghan has a great voice and is a good storyteller, it’s a shame the Spotify thing blew up. She could be a good podcaster if the podcast itself was… different.

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 12:23

Look at Reece Witherspoon, she’s only 5 years older than Meghan Markle, she’s been very successful or is she a has been too

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 12:25

AliceOlive · 26/07/2023 12:06

Meghan’s father won an academy award.

Oh so now, Meghan has moved from being a nobody actress to a Nepo baby? When did that happen?

jeffgoldblum · 26/07/2023 12:25

Stop digging, you are aware that she donned her own iron man suit and shared the screen with all the stars in end game!
Either you have never watched all the movies ( fair enough, not everyone is a fan!) or you are deliberately undermining her status.

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 12:27

tigger2022 · 26/07/2023 12:21

Meghan has a great voice and is a good storyteller, it’s a shame the Spotify thing blew up. She could be a good podcaster if the podcast itself was… different.

Blew up? Blew up in numbers and success you mean.

How is that a shame. It was number 1 every time it came out in different countries.

AliceOlive · 26/07/2023 12:27

MrsFinkelstein · 26/07/2023 12:18

Think it was an Emmy?

Oh right. What I mean though is that Meghan could be called a nepo baby. She grew up with a parent in the industry and so was able to see and experience being on sets, etc

jeffgoldblum · 26/07/2023 12:28

Your arguments are doing Meghan no favours, by pulling others down to lift her up just makes posters point out the difference in success, Meghan was successful in her own way don't compare her to actresses higher up the ladder .

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 12:29

Thomas Markle had won his first Emmy by 38 😀

MangshorJhol · 26/07/2023 12:33

Even Reese Witherspoon has an Oscar, an Emmy or two, and a Golden Globe. That's Meghan's problem that in her age range there are a whole bunch of Hollywood celebrities with CVs that are extraordinary. It isn't putting MM down to say that. It's making the point that she lacks a particular niche to compete with celebrities of the likes of Martha Stewart/Jo Malone/Reese Witherspoon/Gwyneth Paltrow.

One podcast is no match for those achievements. And no matter how successful a podcast it was, what people will remember currently is that it was cancelled. Maybe she will make another series on a different platform, but a multi season blockbuster it isn't right now. And so basically 3 years post leaving the Royal Family there still isn't a particular space that she has claimed as her own. And life isn't easy for middle aged women in the celebrity world so she will have to figure out who she is. (Harry will always be the son of the King...and certainly in the UK will always have that cache whether he does anything more meaningful in life).

So we began with the argument that all Meghan had to do was to re-launch this website and it would be an instant success and the gentle point I was trying to make was that it isn't going to be easy, and it hasn't been easy for them so far. Even in the US where their original coverage was largely positive the tide has mostly turned.

debbrianna · 26/07/2023 12:34

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 12:25

Oh so now, Meghan has moved from being a nobody actress to a Nepo baby? When did that happen?

🤭😭😂 shits giggle

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 12:35

Margot Robbie is 33 with production credits including i Tonya, promising young woman and Barbie, Oscar and golden globe nomination

She is someone who is happening NOW 😀

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 12:38

@MangshorJhol

The point I was making was you should not compare these people's careers beforehand, because none of them have anything to do with what they are doing now - which is producing. Same as H&M.

You yourself, say it that Lulu was aristocrat, what has that got to do with her experience of working with the products she sells.

MM already has experience with cooking/lifestyle via her Tig.

I am also not going to engage any further on Gwyneth's acting career - which is now being twisted to me putting her down, because that too has nothing to do with her goop.

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 12:42

debbrianna · 26/07/2023 12:34

🤭😭😂 shits giggle

😂😂😅

MangshorJhol · 26/07/2023 12:44

But Lulu Guinness then has a MEGA SUCCESSFUL business career. I am saying all of these people had hugely successful careers before diversifying which gave them credibility.

Meghan is not a chef. She is not a beauty expert. She doesn’t have the prior brand other than being an actress on a show and the wife of a Prince. A few posts on makeup and cooking on a blog is not the same as selling your beauty company to Estée Lauder or having multiple cooking shows on a prime time channel.

Witherspoon is a great example. She had an incredibly successful movie career, then when it stalled went into TV and won Golden Globes and then went into producing.

HoldOnMiGenna · 26/07/2023 12:56

It seems that in order to have a successful "lifestyle" brand off of the back of celebrity, the key elements have to be: "authenticity". People have to believe that the persona matches the product. So a little vulnerability would be in order. Kate Hudson had her now stable, previously "free spirited" relationship, loving mother of three, fit body, still enjoys a party lovingly chaotic extended family persona, Angelina Jolie has her "intellectual", White paternalistic, "above, but a part of Hollywood, maybe not all the way tethered, but heart's in the right place, inner Punk Rock, sexy bisexual, kissed her brother, always wearing some Legacy design house clothes" persona.
Gwyneth Paltrow has her "broadly and deeply connected in Hollywood and the fashion world, was a fashion icon BEFORE one needed a stylist, doesn't pretend to be " down" , yet will have the rapper Nas defending her if needs be, genuinely worldly, bicoastal, bi cultural, gentile/ Jewish , a little kooky, still smokes the odd cigarette, can't dance, but works out persona.....etc, etc.
The ability to hustle, diversify and WORK are other very important elements. Stagnation and a lack of curiousity are not options. Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg are friends, for example. The Obamas have Erykah Badu come to their shindigs. The parochial with a touch of coffee life of Meghan Markle is going to need to loosen up in order to seem long term aspirational, thus sellable.
What is her persona? Can she thicken her skin? Can she graft like a coal miner? Can she be " authentic" in a way that people can be convinced that right or wrong , that is the real deal trying to flog those wares?
Every single person that I have mentioned other than Meghan Markle have endured being slagged off longer or as intensely as Meghan Markle, but their personas are not tied to victimhood or moral crusader. That goes even for Barack Obama and he's an ex two term president!
When Meghan can translate even herself outside of the two dimension paradigm that her image currently resides in .....and she'll have to relax her backbone some to do that and accept her global fame comes as a " wife of" with more humour than is currently apparent.
Either she uses her brittleness as a marketing ruse, thus having to give far less of a fuck about public censure or lose the brittleness, thus giving far less of a fuck about public validation.
That and the ability to co operate will stand her in good stead, but she won't reach the status of any of the above before putting the work in, no matter her current celebrity.
She also has to gain more interesting friends who she seems to have real , non transactional relationships with. Glimpses into one's life sells a brand even for the most above it all celebrity seller.
Angelina Jolie is hardly papped not holding hands with one of her up in age children.

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 12:58

Witherspoon’s book club / production company was a really smart move.

AutumnCrow · 26/07/2023 13:09

Loving your 'pen portraits', @HoldOnMiGenna! Smile

Sussurations · 26/07/2023 13:14

Yes, great post @HoldOnMiGenna. Drew Barrymore is another one who springs to mind. Bethenny Frankel - not perhaps as glamorous as some others mentioned but hugely driven and successful.

Meghan has no niche and her persona is not particularly likeable. I would argue that GP’s persona isn’t very likeable either but she turns it to her favour. Bethenny is a Marmite character but even her detractors respect her.

Nomoreheroics · 26/07/2023 13:20

HoldOnMiGenna · 26/07/2023 12:56

It seems that in order to have a successful "lifestyle" brand off of the back of celebrity, the key elements have to be: "authenticity". People have to believe that the persona matches the product. So a little vulnerability would be in order. Kate Hudson had her now stable, previously "free spirited" relationship, loving mother of three, fit body, still enjoys a party lovingly chaotic extended family persona, Angelina Jolie has her "intellectual", White paternalistic, "above, but a part of Hollywood, maybe not all the way tethered, but heart's in the right place, inner Punk Rock, sexy bisexual, kissed her brother, always wearing some Legacy design house clothes" persona.
Gwyneth Paltrow has her "broadly and deeply connected in Hollywood and the fashion world, was a fashion icon BEFORE one needed a stylist, doesn't pretend to be " down" , yet will have the rapper Nas defending her if needs be, genuinely worldly, bicoastal, bi cultural, gentile/ Jewish , a little kooky, still smokes the odd cigarette, can't dance, but works out persona.....etc, etc.
The ability to hustle, diversify and WORK are other very important elements. Stagnation and a lack of curiousity are not options. Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg are friends, for example. The Obamas have Erykah Badu come to their shindigs. The parochial with a touch of coffee life of Meghan Markle is going to need to loosen up in order to seem long term aspirational, thus sellable.
What is her persona? Can she thicken her skin? Can she graft like a coal miner? Can she be " authentic" in a way that people can be convinced that right or wrong , that is the real deal trying to flog those wares?
Every single person that I have mentioned other than Meghan Markle have endured being slagged off longer or as intensely as Meghan Markle, but their personas are not tied to victimhood or moral crusader. That goes even for Barack Obama and he's an ex two term president!
When Meghan can translate even herself outside of the two dimension paradigm that her image currently resides in .....and she'll have to relax her backbone some to do that and accept her global fame comes as a " wife of" with more humour than is currently apparent.
Either she uses her brittleness as a marketing ruse, thus having to give far less of a fuck about public censure or lose the brittleness, thus giving far less of a fuck about public validation.
That and the ability to co operate will stand her in good stead, but she won't reach the status of any of the above before putting the work in, no matter her current celebrity.
She also has to gain more interesting friends who she seems to have real , non transactional relationships with. Glimpses into one's life sells a brand even for the most above it all celebrity seller.
Angelina Jolie is hardly papped not holding hands with one of her up in age children.

Hit the nail on the head!

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 13:59

Just on the point of boxing H&M into 'but what is their main cause'?

People make a difference by small contributions in different fields. So, you or I may decide to divide that extra £50 into 10 for Children in need, 10 for Heart foundation, 10 for cancer research, 10 for dog pound etc. This is going to make a difference. Little by little it will.
H&M have a platform, so they elevate things that need help and attention now. Ulvade kaboom, world kitchen (also in Ukraine), Vaccines during covid, Healing in Turkey and Syria, Africa Parks, books on diversity, Equimundo, youth MH and online safety etc. These are all things that need to be elevated now.

So what if there is no big, big project of curing cancer right now? It took years for Bill Gates to launch the now successful Malaria programme - it also took years for it to succeed. Not everyone has one huge project they are pushing, but are making small differences, so why is this couple expected to have one big project in 3yrs (with Covid years in the mix)?

As for the Tig, she has already done it !

jeffgoldblum · 26/07/2023 15:11

Bill gates is in a totally different stratosphere to H & M !