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The sudden unusual turn on Princess Kate

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Whatt · 29/05/2023 07:56

Today, I wanted to share something thought-provoking that has caught my attention recently - a noticeable change in the way the media portrays Kate Middleton.

Some publications that previously showed favor towards Kate (DM cough, cough) have started publishing stories that present her in a more critical light. It's an interesting shift.

Firstly, there's a story circulating about an encounter between Kate and a convicted murderer at a charity event. Additionally, there's talk of the taxpayer potentially providing support for her family's struggling business. This raises questions about the circumstances surrounding their business venture and the implications it may have for public funds.

What's intriguing is the parallel being drawn between Kate's current media treatment and the scrutiny faced by Meghan Markle in the past. It's worth discussing whether there's a connection or simply a coincidence.

Furthermore, there's some buzz on Twitter suggesting that Kate may have unintentionally upstaged the King during the Chelsea Flower Show. While it may seem like harmless gossip, it's interesting to consider the impact of such events on the monarchy's reputation. Some even speculate that Camilla might have been involved in the leak of these stories, adding an extra layer to the intrigue.

Taking a step back, it's worth pondering whether the monarchy should be concerned about being upstaged in this day and age. Are we witnessing a shift in priorities and expectations?

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WinnieTheW0rm · 06/08/2023 18:50

Throughalookingglass · 06/08/2023 16:50

Is it generally accepted that Prince Philip had an ongoing affair with Penny ? I thought was generally accepted yet is there any proof of this?

People tend to believe what's in The Crown.

No, Prince Phillip was not noted as a philanderer (until the last couple of years, and I put that down to internet rumour and cynicism). Flirty, yes. But actual affairs, no, never any gossip/ common knowledge.

We simply don't know much about his friendship Lady Brabourne. Because the close friends of both ER II and her husband are discreet.

Similar for the Waleses. I remember something a young Prince William was reported to have said, along the lines of "everyone wants a piece of me" which meant he's always had to be really careful. It must have been quite demanding to grow up knowing that, but he seems to be in a good place now.

Iwasafool · 06/08/2023 18:53

Toujoursla896 · 06/08/2023 10:38

But at least she would have been alive. Wow Iwasafool are you ok? Have you really read your own comments on this thread about a dead woman, because they are really bitchy and hateful. Why invest so much hate in someone who died so long ago? Does it make you feel better somehow?

I merely stated facts, her publicity was that she was so innocent and forced into marriage when she had wanted that for some time according to people who knew her at school. Her PR was she was the perfect mother when she shared upsetting information with her child and humiliated her children by going on TV, Charles did the humiliating TV thing as well but he was never reckoned to be the perfect father in the first place.

Yes she's dead, she didn't wear a seat belt which wasn't smart, got into a car with a drunk driving which was even less smart, she screwed her kids up and that isn't hate it is just stating the facts.

Oh and she was a very attractive woman. Not sure why we are still expected to go on with the sainted Diana stuff.

Serenster · 06/08/2023 18:56

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Serenster · 06/08/2023 18:58

We simply don't know much about his friendship Lady Brabourne. Because the close friends of both ER II and her husband are discreet.

I have just posted about this, but my post has gone straight into moderation! It must be because I mentioned the name of the organisation that was responsible for Lord Mountbatten’s death?

Iwasafool · 06/08/2023 19:00

the most powerful members of the RF eg KC, KC and PW and PK definitely enjoy a slight bubble of reverence when it comes to the press.

I think PK is Catherine, who is the second KC, obviously the first one is Charles.

Serenster · 06/08/2023 19:00

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myrtleWilson · 06/08/2023 19:20

@Iwasafool Kick-Ass Camilla? Kind Camilla? Knotty Camilla? Keen Camilla?

GrouchyKiwi · 06/08/2023 19:23

Kween Camilla.

smilesy · 06/08/2023 19:24

GrouchyKiwi · 06/08/2023 19:23

Kween Camilla.

Kwing Charles 🤔

LadyEloise1 · 06/08/2023 20:55

@WinnieTheW0rm
Many years ago, years before The Crown, I hard that PP did have affairs. My informant was a very very wealthy ( for the time ) woman living in London.

upinaballoon · 06/08/2023 21:50

Prince Philip had lunch with a woman called Cordet, Charlotte or Helene, the one who didn't kill Marat, in a restaurant where everyone could see. I have read that he was godfather to one or two of her children, and had known her when he was a child in France. Some people would want to make that a proof of him having an affair with her but it wasn't proof of anything more than that they had lunch.

He used to meet some men once a week for lunch, young men of his generation who had most likely been in uniform during the war. It was a bit lively and I think some of them drank a bit and I believe that he danced with an actress called Pat Kirkwood. Of course gossips would be able to make that into something. Apparently Pat Kirkwood, when asked once, said they didn't have an affair. They danced. He was a good dancer.

So this stuff about this Penny, which keeps coming up, is from The Sodding Crown, is it, and half this stupid nation's thinking every word of it is true. Give up.

Maireas · 06/08/2023 22:06

In a nutshell, @upinaballoon 👍

upinaballoon · 06/08/2023 22:23

I found an article in The Sun with a headline asking if he had affairs and when I read it the article mentioned Helen Cordet and Pat Kirkwood and a good few more and there wasn't any proof at all. The Sun was using the headline for sales, obviously. That's their job. I guess some people only ever read the headlines.

JeandeServiette · 07/08/2023 00:06

No, Prince Phillip was not noted as a philanderer (until the last couple of years, and I put that down to internet rumour and cynicism). Flirty, yes. But actual affairs, no, never any gossip/ common knowledge.

The innuendo has been around for donkey's years. I remember being on holiday with my aunt and g parents thirty years ago and reading their copy of the Daily Mail (no tabloids allowed at home) and then quizzing them about the hints being aimed at PP. My grandma remembered it going back to the 50s. But then they were very much tabloid readers.

WinnieTheW0rm · 07/08/2023 07:11

That level of innuendo was also out there about ER II

And I don't believe that either

(And it's seriously unlikely that the DM printed much about either - tabloids just didn't act like that before about the 1970s and were pretty deferential to the royals until about a decade after that)

Serenster · 07/08/2023 11:44

Since it looks like my posts will not be approved, I’ll just briefly point out that the tabloids at first suggested that Penny and Charles were having an affair. Which wasn’t true.

upinaballoon · 07/08/2023 14:24

Penny is married to a Mountbatten and Prince Charles was best man at their wedding. She presumably likes horses because she's been at horsey things with the RF for a long time.

Ooooh, let me gossip. Every married man who went to Ascot this year and flirted slightly, or smiled at, or had a joke with a woman or man must obviously be that person's confidant and having a full blown physical affair with him or her. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, know what I mean, guv?

upinaballoon · 07/08/2023 14:26

Serenster · 07/08/2023 11:44

Since it looks like my posts will not be approved, I’ll just briefly point out that the tabloids at first suggested that Penny and Charles were having an affair. Which wasn’t true.

Did you mention the IRA in your unaccepted post?

Pistolpose · 07/08/2023 16:44

It’s surprising but not unexpected that people are unable to discern the difference between reality and a drama called the Crown. Most people realise it is fiction.

But as the saying goes repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

Maireas · 07/08/2023 16:51

I think it's a shame that The Crown has done this. Dramatising the lives of real people without their consent or cooperation and showing them in a very biased way is terrible, imo.
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BadgerB · 07/08/2023 17:00

Maireas · Today 16:51
I think it's a shame that The Crown has done this. Dramatising the lives of real people without their consent or cooperation and showing them in a very biased way is terrible, imo.

I so agree! If my life was subject to "dramatic reconstruction" I can imagine, and shudder at, what undesirable construction might be put on many incidents...

Fortunately I am not rich or famous, and therefore not interesting enough for anyone to bother

Nono22972 · 11/08/2023 23:16

https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/middletons-family-business-collapse-party-pieces-james-kate-william-ella-b1098424.html#comments-area

Earlier this summer, Carole and Michael Middleton were forced to sell off their party supplies firm, Party Pieces, after it racked up debts of £2.6 million, leaving dozens of small businesses out of pocket. Meanwhile, the baby of the clan, serial entrepreneur James Middleton, is facing fresh business woes after it was reported the assets on his latest venture, Ella & Co, have plummeted.

James launched a dog food company dedicated to the ‘happiness and wellbeing of dogs’. The business was inspired by his beloved spaniel Ella, whom James has credited both with saving his life, after helping him during his darkest days of depression...Sadly, Ella died at the beginning of this year, and now it seems her namesake company may be ailing too, as it’s recently been reported that Ella &Co’s assets are down to just £92,510, compared with £334,591 the previous year.

It’s hardly surprising to see James Matthews providing a healthy injection of cash for his brother-in-law’s business – since her 2017 wedding to the investment banker, whose net worth is estimated to be upwards of £2billlon, Pippa has become by far the richest member of the Middleton family. Last year, the couple and their three children relocated from their £17million Chelsea townhouse to a sprawling 30-room mansion in Berkshire, just a 20-minute drive from her parents.

At home, however, things are going less smoothly, as Pippa and James are currently struggling with some of the ambitious renovations planned for their £15million Berkshire house. Their proposal to build a mammoth swimming pool and tennis court topped with AstroTurf, which would require building over an old wall, has been called into question by specialists, who worry about the “historic fabric” of the estate, as well as for “the Middle Stone Age sites” nearby.

The closure of Party Pieces has come as a blow to the Middletons, especially Carole, who friends say is “desperately sad” to see the business sold off in this way. It was snapped up by former children’s entertainer James Sinclair – who calls himself the ‘Millionaire Clown’ – for £180,000, but crucially the Essex-based entrepreneur has not taken on any of the company’s debts. Many of those who have been left out of pocket are small family-owned businesses, including Mohamad Pardis, owner of the helium supplier Sultani Gas, who said the £20,430 he is owed was equivalent to a year’s profits. “I thought I was in safe hands and that I could trust the royal family. I’m completely shocked,” he was quoted as saying.

Carole famously started the business from her kitchen table in 1987, when she was six months pregnant with James...The business really took off with the advent of online shopping in the 1990s, and at the time of Kate and William’s wedding in 2011 it was estimated to be worth £30 million.

...it’s thought the family’s wealth derives almost entirely from the success of Party Pieces. It certainly seems to be what allowed Carole and Michael to pay the hefty school fees for all three of their children.

Despite her apparent involvement, though, friends say Carole’s actually taken a backseat in the business since 2019, trusting the day-to-day running to a new management team. She’s since acknowledged she was “naïve” to do so, as the business quickly started racking up debts. When lockdown came and people stopped throwing parties, the company was forced to take out a £219,000 Covid loan from RBS, a bank still propped up by taxpayers – meaning some of those debts will now have to be paid out of the pockets of the British public.

It’s all rather awkward when you consider these are the in-laws of the future king. “It definitely doesn’t reflect well on the royals, but Kate will mostly just be worried about her mother, as the two have always been incredibly close,” says one well-placed source. “Carole will be working hard to put this right.” It’s said before Party Pieces fell into administration Carole was calling those who were owed money from her personal mobile to apologise, promising that debts would be repaid. Unfortunately, the administrators’ report made it clear that it is “highly unlikely” that any of these organisations would receive any of the money that they are owed.

As for James, the serial entrepreneur’s not going anywhere. “He’s full of energy and he’s always got something on the go,” says a friend. “He knows people will mock him for starting endless businesses, but he doesn’t care. If this one fails, I reckon he’ll just keep launching more.”

I feel bad for Kate because this will reflect badly on her.

A collapsed business and debts in the millions — keeping up with the Middletons

As Party Pieces is sold, leaving small vendors out of pocket, James Middleton appears to be having business woes of his own. Luciana Bellini has the latest from the royal in-laws

https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/middletons-family-business-collapse-party-pieces-james-kate-william-ella-b1098424.html#comments-area

Maireas · 11/08/2023 23:19

It's only a failed business. They're not criminals. It won't reflect badly on anyone.

AliceOlive · 12/08/2023 03:06

Who performed the highlighting in the wall of text above? That’s a reflection of… something.

Serenster · 12/08/2023 08:02

The official figures on corporate failures was released at the end of July and shows it’s been an absolutely horrific time for businesses, the worst since the aftermath of the 2008 global financial crisis. Anyone who thinks companies struggling in this environment is a personal failing are, quite frankly, ridiculous.

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