Would Charles and Diana have divorced if Camilla wasn’t in the picture?

[MamoruHisaishi]

Was it really Camilla who ruined the marriage or was it just that Diana and Charles would have ended up divorced regardless if another woman or man was in the picture?

Diana, always viewed Charles as her real life Prince Charming. She would have concentrated on him, which would have buoyed Charles fragility. She also would not have stolen the limelight to get public attention as she would have had it at home.

*I mean Charles ego would have been raised, and his fragility lessened.

I actually cannot understand and your second sentence at all. So what actually are you talking about?

notanotheroneagain · Today 11:05
As it happens that reporter did not hear it from sources. He witnessed it himself. He was there to cover the wedding and all the hotels were fully booked. So he went to the royal train which was on a field to try and get some sleep and found them.

1Any reporter who'd left it too late to get a room would obviously think, "I'll just doss down in the royal train. I know what field it's in" Not likely to be guarded or anything....

As her brother in law describes her, she doesn't want others to have nice things. She is the type that would have kicked down other kids' sandcastles down the beach.

2 Harry said that! It must be true then....

1. A reporter who has been given an assignment last minute(most likely due to a cancellation) would not have booked a hotel and would like to at least be near royal anything, including the train. In case of a scoop or even questioning the workers.
2. Don't pin this on Harry, it was from ABP brother years ago who said this.

Wow I know that’s from a tabloid but the names sour e makes it interesting! 😮

Life is full of ifs, ands or buts.

Error - sorry - the named source makes it interesting

Isn’t it just scoobydoobywho 😁😉

notanotheroneagain · Today 11:40

1. Don't pin this on Harry, it was from ABP brother years ago who said this.

Sorry - I misread "Brother-in-law"

A bit unkind to call Diana "gormless" -bit sadly very true.

I disagree. She was not academically bright but she was intuitively intelligent and good at being able to talk to people she had never met who were often in difficult circumstances which is not a particularly easy thing to do.

She was an ordinary person, no saint, but much of the rhetoric about her being thick, a whore, a lightweight, mad, has been carefully cultivated by the establishment via the deeply misogynistic tabloid press after her death for reasons that are becoming increasingly obvious to anyone who cares to look beyond the headlines.

It was not a love match, there was never any romance. They had nothing in common and were completely opposite characters

As to this, I agree that they had little in common, but at the start of their relationship there was definitely attraction there. The recent documentary about Diana that was just extracts from film footage of her over the years, no voiceovers, had a clip of the two of them doing an interview together shortly after they were married. There was definitely affection and chemistry there, they were flirting with each other as they answered the questions. It was quite eye opening, given everything we think we know about them.

Diana herself said that they were really happy together when she was pregnant with Harry, and then everything went south after he was born. So, three years or so of marriage which took them to 1984 or so. That sounds pretty par for the course of a relationship that’s not going to make it, long term?

You know that she was not well so why mention it disparagingly. She had massively unfulfilled needs due to marrying the wrong person at too young an age

You know, I do think that her deeply dysfunctional and unhappy childhood had quite a lot to do with her mental health issues. Marrying Charles certainly didn’t help her move on from those, but it’s not like she didn’t have a lot of issues already when they met.

Of course she had a deeply dysfunctional childhood. In fact her marriage reflects that of her mother’s. Massive age gap and when it all went south, it was she who was ostracised and whose reputation was sullied.

However, latterly, she had overcome her mh difficulties and grown much stronger but she was lonely because of her fame. I doubt many of us can fully comprehend what living with that level of press intrusion does to a person and to their relationships. I think must of us would be driven to despair by it. She dealt with it reasonably well in the circumstances given how the paparazzi treated her.

Diana herself said that they were really happy together when she was pregnant with Harry, and then everything went south after he was born. So, three years or so of marriage which took them to 1984 or so. That sounds pretty par for the course of a relationship that’s not going to make it, long term?

PC was off playing polo with an hour of them leaving hospital and was reportedly upset Harry wasn't a girl to point his MIL apparently pointedly told him he should be thankful it was a healthy baby.

I'd also read early years were apparently fairly good though she famously did have second thoughts very late before wedding and her sister was reported to say something like can't back out now as the tea towels are all printed.

She didn't marry Charles because she didn't want to - she was in love with Andrew P-B
I thought they didn't marry because the Royal family disapproved because Camilla wasn't a virgin. They and in particular the Queen mother wanted him to marry someone young and inexperienced. Diana fit the bill perfectly however they were completely wrong for each other

You're right, in that she wouldn't have been considered suitable at that time.

But the question never arose, because she wanted to marry AP-B, not Charles.

I think so too. But the marriage never had a chance.
She was apparently, a fan of Barbara Cartland's ( her step grandmother ) romantic fiction and he a man of the world when they married.

Indeed she was:

No, Camilla got fed up with Charles dithering and left him for Andrew PB who was quite a catch.

I think, back then, A P-B was considered more of a catch than Charles in upper class circles.

I don't think the RF advisors wanted him the marry Camilla because she was more experienced iyswim. They sent Charles off somewhere abroad as a naval officer. Pretty sure I read that somewhere, and when he came back she had married PB. I think she was mad about BP (as we're all the other women/affair partners etc!).

There are probably multiple reasons why
But one version is Camilla wasn't rated as 'good enough' wasn't titled, didn't have the right connections to marry Charles.
The RF had him go on tour with the Navy for months.

He didn't make his intentions clear to her before he left. He came back to find her engaged to PB.

I think the whole virgin thing is a lot of nonsense, they just didn't want him with Camilla.

Who was the woman with APB at the Coronation??

Haven't a clue - but Googling I've found he was a Pageboy at the Queens Coronation.
There really can't be that many people who have attended 2 UK Coronations.

Absolutely agree that there are different forms of intelligence.

I always thought that Diana and Charles did love each other but were temperamentally unsuitable and didn't understand each other.

Really hope Camilla didn't do as a pp said above! I thought she seemed like a nice person.

That level of pressure being in the public eye and relentlessly examined must be awful. Never being able to correct fake reports and being under the microscope, I empathise with Harry on this (although find him irritating in other ways).