The markel family interview

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Anyone know how/where I can watch it? :) I think it's on today ....

Are you really asking why the Mail on Sunday would redact from the version of the letter they published all mention of the press manipulating Thomas Markle?

Im not talking about what the Mail redacted, I'm asking why would TM mention that there were really hurtful and nasty things in that letter from MM which he would never allow to be printed (you saying it was about press manipulation wouldn't fall into that category) and why was PH text to TM redacted as being 'extremely damaging' were it to be made public. It makes me think there is something in what TM said in that recent interview.
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I didn’t read the board because the blackface so disgusts me I kept glancing past it. I’ve read it now.

My god.

To think that some posters have actually suggested that Meghan should introduce her

children to her odious half siblings…beggars belief.
If I were Meghan and Harry I would do everything to keep my children away from her toxic siblings. I have watched the YouTube documentary and their jealousy, hatred and disdain for Meghan was palpable.

I am afraid I just don't believe Thomas Markle on this. I hope that one day, Meghan writes her own book, and publishes the letter in its entirety. Interestingly, what was published of the letter confirms that she had been supporting him financially, at his request. Hardly the act of an uncaring daughter.

Also interesting is that Thomas Markle responded to her letter --- with a request for a photo opportunity for the media.

Look. There are people for whom Meghan can do no right, you are clearly one of them, and that's fine. It's striking that the posters who were questioning the existence of the blackface videos have now gone radio silent. But the bottom line is that Meghan is being bullied through the media by her father and his older children, all three of whom are on public record as associating with persons who have spread conspiracy theories about her children. She is absolutely right to refuse to give in to their blackmail.

Dr King said the arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice. It will not be here on Mumsnet, and it may not be in the tabloid media, but in the long run, Meghan will be vindicated. Yes, she has made mistakes, the biggest of which was to underestimate the malevolence of the white side of her family, and to not appreciate fully the long shadows cast into her present life by the past grievances of her half-siblings. People who don't like you, and have never liked you, will never wish you well.

Samantha and Thomas Jnr are actively malevolent and malicious people, who are playing on the weakness of their father to get to the half-sister they have always resented. But even he has his agency in all of this.

All Meghan can do is to protect herself, her husband and children from three people who are actively seeking to do her harm.

More than that, I really can't say.

Meghan's on a 'hiding to nothing' with so many people. It's very sad. ('chilling'as a pp put it), when we see this concerted effort to denigrate a woman. And in this case, a biracial woman. History repeating. No one learns a thing.

People who don't like you, and have never liked you, will never wish you well.

This

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Great post. I so agree with 'history will tell' and that Meghan will be vindicated in years to come. Of course, in some people's eyes that will never happen, but in general, I believe that.

I feel very sorry with Meghan with the toxic family cashing in, grubbing around to any TV station who will pay them, they are awful. Yet posters on here are fans of Thomas, really thinking he has done no wrong at all... and although they don't say it... some are quite obviously supporters of the siblings... urging Meghan to be in contact with them.. WTAF?!

'I feel very sorry with Meghan with the toxic family cashing in, grubbing around to any TV station who will pay them, they are awful'

Yes I feel sorry for her too. It must be awful to have toxic relatives cashing in grubbing around to any TV station that will pay them. You'd think the Sussexes would want to behave differently yet they seem so very keen to follow suit 🤔.

I think many people who have watched the recent interview (I watched 10 minutes or so) have seen how unwell Thomas looks and it seems that this is what’s driving them to suggest Meghan get in touch with him. Many people minimise what Thomas did to her and how betrayed she may feel especially with his activities in the past couple of years. Unfortunately being sick does not compel family members to reconcile nor should it.

I am afraid I just don't believe Thomas Markle on this. I hope that one day, Meghan writes her own book, and publishes the letter in its entirety. Interestingly, what waspublished of the letter confirms that she had been supporting him financially, at his request. Hardly the act of an uncaring daughter.

I'm just saying I didn't believe TM about this initially but I'm now not sure, something doesn't add up for me, that is all.

My views on the half siblings have already been aired - I don't like them at all.
My view on TM - I don't like him but can have an element of sympathy for him with regards his health.
My view on Meghan Markle - I don't like her but I can have an element of sympathy with her for this shitshow being played out so publicly.
My view on Prince Harry - I don't like him but I can have an element of sympathy for him from a mental health point of view.

My views are formed from what they say and their behaviour.
I'm open to changing my mind on any of them but I'm not seeing anything yet to warrant that, it's still The Sussex's and The Markles cashing in anyway they can.

Just as I posted that, I read more details of Lord Ashcroft's poll.

6 of the Commonwealth realms, including Canada, Australia and 4 Caribbean nations, would go republic if a referendum was held now. Strikingly, the Caribbean nations cite the history of colonialism as the reason to leave.

There is a growing republican movement across the Caribbean – particularly in Jamaica – but even most New Zealanders agreed that the monarchy no longer makes sense for them. Many countries seem to be upset that they get no tangible benefits.

A Jamaican respondent told Lord Ashcroft's pollsters: 'To top it all off, even to travel to England we need a visa. We don't get any benefits, we don't get to travel to the UK visa-free, so why are we even part of it?'

In the Bahamas one person noted Britain's absence while the US and Canada helped with relief after Hurricane Dorian.

And in these overseas realms, where people are not whipped up day by the UK tabloids, they believe Harry and Meghan. Meghan's story lands very differently depending on factors that are often dismissed here.

While most people in Britain have rejected the Sussexes' accounts of racism and unfair treatment, those overseas have more sympathy, according to polling by Lord Ashcroft.

The Sussexes are believed over the rest of the family by ten out of the 14 Commonwealth realms, with the same margin thinking the treatment of Meghan exposed 'racist views'.

The Daily Mail has covered it, but it's likely to disappear, and will definitely not be commented on.

He seems frail, he's made mistakes. He could well be being manipulated. When people behave badly it is always better to be the better person. Much like the rf are being, constantly offering olive branches even though Harry has behaved appallingly with his media blabbing.

@MrsMaxDeWinter your post reminds me of this:

Those who have harmed you will create false narratives around you, your experiences, and your character. They are doing this, because in order to be honest about who you are, they would have to be honest about what they’ve done.- Nate Postlethwait

Yes I feel sorry for her too. It must be awful to have toxic relatives cashing in grubbing around to any TV station that will pay them. You'd think the Sussexes would want to behave differently yet they seem so very keen to follow suit

This is clearly inaccurate. They’ve done an interview with Oprah, and a Netflix series about their life. Meghan has never spoken about her brother that I recall and said one line about her sister. She spoke lovingly of her past relationship with her father and is devastated at his betrayal, his. He went to the press before her wedding remember. That you can compare what she’s done to family who threaten and blackmail, wear blackface and have told malicious stories repeatedly, speaks volumes.

When people behave badly it is always better to be the better person.

Absolutely - being the better person does not mean putting you and your children in harms way (in this case a grandparent who has entertained that they are not real or that his daughter didn’t give birth to them). Being the better person in this case means not engaging at all.

In the wider context if someone is being actively harmful to you - rising above it or being the better person can lead to people remaining in a situation where they can continue to do you harm. By engaging in the interview - Thomas has set back any chances of reconciliation if that’s what he wanted for at least several years.

'This is clearly inaccurate. They’ve done an interview with Oprah, and a Netflix series about their life. Meghan has never spoken about her brother that I recall and said one line about her sister. '

Fining Freedom (no collusion or hang on might there have been a bit? I forget), A chatshow appearance slagging everyone off, ditto a reality show, ditto a book and numerous media appearances. Granted not about the Markle clan, you're missing my point, rather about the rf.

The Sussexes ars to the rf what the Markles are to the Sussexes. It'd be funny if it wasn't all rather tragic and unedifying.

'In the wider context if someone is being actively harmful to you - rising above it or being the better person can lead to people remaining in a situation where they can continue to do you harm'

So you must think that Harry shouldn't have been invited to the Coronation then if this is your opinion about avoiding those who have cause us great hurt and upset those closest to us?

The Sussexes ars to the rf what the Markles are to the Sussexes. It'd be funny if it wasn't all rather tragic and unedifying.

Yes it is rather tragic and definitely unedifying, imagine having your in laws discussing your frozen todger over a family BBQ!!

This. Brilliantly put

A chatshow appearance slagging everyone off, ditto a reality show, ditto a book and numerous media appearances.

Except those things only happened in your mind. The Oprah interview wasn’t ‘slagging everyone off’, and neither was the Netflix show, both focused on media and they certainly do not speak about his family the way her family do them. They are the only things Meghan is directly involved in. They are not comparable to a YouTube hate channel where a man wears blackface and mocks you, or to being paid by the tabloids. If you think it is, that says something about how you view racism.

No I think that Harry shouldn’t be attending the coronation not that he shouldn’t be invited.

It also grates that in people’s zeal to belittle H&M they are inaccurate. The interview was not a chat show appearance. Oprah Winfrey is a journalist who indeed created a media empire who also does stand alone interviews (see Michael Jackson, Rihanna and Lance Armstrong for examples).

'No I think that Harry shouldn’t be attending the coronation not that he shouldn’t be invited.'

Right. So he should be invited. The rf should ignore all his blabbing on chatshows, they should rise above it yet the Sussexes should not speak to TM who has done what they've done themselves. Got it. I think some of you have no idea how blinkered and hypocritical you sound.

Disclaimer I'm not a TM fan but it's either ok to hurt your family by sharing private info to the media or it isn't. Make your minds up.