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IamSuperTired · 2023-04-30T13:39:29+00:00

Anyone know how/where I can watch it? :) I think it's on today ....

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 08:59

Rhondaa · 02/05/2023 08:14

Yes one can only imagine what Archie and Lili will be producing in 20 years time

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One of the more revolting comments. Can’t people leave the children alone? What goes on in your life you need to denigrate toddlers.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/05/2023 09:00

Does anyone know if Vanessa Feltz has experience with abusive family members?

This, from her, is really, really good.

Laughed out loud at this:

And perhaps don’t choose your daughter Samantha and son Tom as your on-screen henchmen. They’ve been trenchantly and publicly horrible about their half-sibling.

It’s like pretending to woo a vegan by prodding them with a pork sausage.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/vanessa-feltz/1764966/meghan-markle-thomas-markle-reconciliation

If he wants a reconciliation, Thomas Markle should keep his mouth shut

How can I fix this?" asks Thomas Markle of his fractured relationship with his daughter. Here's a clue Mr M: don't ask the question on an Australian talk show. Don't sprinkle your interview with nuggets of personal revelation designed to reflect badly...

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/vanessa-feltz/1764966/meghan-markle-thomas-markle-reconciliation

skullbabe · 02/05/2023 09:06

mixedrecycling · 02/05/2023 08:13

I'm sorry you are 'uncomfortable'

I don’t think you are - I don’t think you can quite appreciate how you mocking, undermining and diminishing actual racism by using your proximity to people of colour is harmful.

Lampzade · 02/05/2023 09:07

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/05/2023 09:00

Does anyone know if Vanessa Feltz has experience with abusive family members?

This, from her, is really, really good.

Laughed out loud at this:

And perhaps don’t choose your daughter Samantha and son Tom as your on-screen henchmen. They’ve been trenchantly and publicly horrible about their half-sibling.

It’s like pretending to woo a vegan by prodding them with a pork sausage.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/vanessa-feltz/1764966/meghan-markle-thomas-markle-reconciliation

Agree with Vanessa Feltz. Beautifully written ..
I don’t understand why Thomas Markle continues to wax lyrical about the shortcomings of his daughter and her husband, but at the same time claims that he wants to make amends.
If he sincerely wants peace he needs to STFU.

Rhondaa · 02/05/2023 09:09

'I don’t understand why Thomas Markle continues to wax lyrical about the shortcomings of his daughter and her husband, but at the same time claims that he wants to make amends.'

I don’t understand why Harry continues to wax lyrical about the shortcomings of the rf but at the same time claims that he wants to make amends.

Howsimplywonderful · 02/05/2023 09:09

@MrsMaxDeWinter

The Express , I thought they was the paper with 40 squillion negative articles about Meghan that you and your buddies were up in arms about.

but now we’re to read your linked article
no thanks, I’m not giving the express clicks

Lampzade · 02/05/2023 09:10

Rhondaa · 02/05/2023 08:14

Yes one can only imagine what Archie and Lili will be producing in 20 years time

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Nasty post. Do better ffs

StormzyinaTCup · 02/05/2023 09:11

I have always liked Vanessa she more often than not talks a lot of sense but it's in 'The Express' which I thought that was supposed to be the work of the devil?

skullbabe · 02/05/2023 09:12

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/05/2023 09:00

Does anyone know if Vanessa Feltz has experience with abusive family members?

This, from her, is really, really good.

Laughed out loud at this:

And perhaps don’t choose your daughter Samantha and son Tom as your on-screen henchmen. They’ve been trenchantly and publicly horrible about their half-sibling.

It’s like pretending to woo a vegan by prodding them with a pork sausage.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/vanessa-feltz/1764966/meghan-markle-thomas-markle-reconciliation

She was in interracial relationship for many years

Rockybooboo · 02/05/2023 09:13

@Janiie are you a mum

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:13

Rhondaa · 02/05/2023 09:09

'I don’t understand why Thomas Markle continues to wax lyrical about the shortcomings of his daughter and her husband, but at the same time claims that he wants to make amends.'

I don’t understand why Harry continues to wax lyrical about the shortcomings of the rf but at the same time claims that he wants to make amends.

Are you going to address the offence you’ve caused disparaging children?

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:15

skullbabe · 02/05/2023 09:06

I don’t think you are - I don’t think you can quite appreciate how you mocking, undermining and diminishing actual racism by using your proximity to people of colour is harmful.

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Thank you, I agree. A simple apology would show this poster genuinely cares about racism.

Inkanta · 02/05/2023 09:15

I don’t understand why Thomas Markle continues to wax lyrical about the shortcomings of his daughter and her husband, but at the same time claims that he wants to make amends

Yes he contradicts himself. Therefore it feels insincere. The care just isn't there. The motive for speaking publicly is probably about money - sorry to say.

Lampzade · 02/05/2023 09:15

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/05/2023 07:13

The snobbery in this statement is very English isn't it. Yet another reason that people just don't like Meghan. She got "above" herself, above her station. All people like this see is the "ordinary childhood' and the "Duchess" status.

It is all part of the dehumanising of Meghan. They define her by what they say her father, and then the royal Family "gave" to her. Her own achievements are belittled to nothing, D list actress with minor role on a show no one watched running a blog that no one read, fake humanitarian etc.

The year they left, I argued with some African American women on a different forum who were saying there was a slave-master vibe to the way she was being treated by her father and the tabloids.

I now see what they mean. There is a narrative that she is a "creation" of her father, and a "creation" of the Royal Family. Everything she did between childhood and marrying Harry is dismissed because the narrative has to be maintained that she is "owned" by and "owes" her father, and she is "owned" by and "owes" the Royal Family.

I see now what the women I argued with saw then: when people speak in terms that suggest "ownership" of a woman whose ancestors were slaves, it raises its own layers!

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This 100%

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:16

Harry’s focus has always been the family firm, the institution itself.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/05/2023 09:18

Howsimplywonderful · 02/05/2023 09:09

@MrsMaxDeWinter

The Express , I thought they was the paper with 40 squillion negative articles about Meghan that you and your buddies were up in arms about.

but now we’re to read your linked article
no thanks, I’m not giving the express clicks

For reasons that I can't yet reveal because polka-dotted posters of various hues will start hounding me, I read EVERYTHING about Meghan and Harry. I watch everything too.

And I post the things I find funny, intriguing, thoughtful or downright batty.

I do need to explain, as you appear to be under some sort of compulsion, that nothing I post is compulsory or in any way mandatory reading for you.

Hope that's clear.

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:19

I now see what they mean. There is a narrative that she is a "creation" of her father, and a "creation" of the Royal Family. Everything she did between childhood and marrying Harry is dismissed because the narrative has to be maintained that she is "owned" by and "owes" her father, and she is "owned" by and "owes" the Royal Family.

I missed this comment, MN is very glitchy atm. But this is really important and totally what is happening, I see it on this board all the time. It’s interesting also that people like to separate her from her close bond with her mother by lying that her mother abandoned her. The black woman who birthed her is not owed, is irrelevant, while the white people that ‘made her’ are owed something by her and own and are responsible for, her success.

StormzyinaTCup · 02/05/2023 09:19

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:16

Harry’s focus has always been the family firm, the institution itself.

Harry doesn't have a focus he has a scattergun approach.

Rhondaa · 02/05/2023 09:20

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:16

Harry’s focus has always been the family firm, the institution itself.

His focus?!

Surely his focus has always been on getting revenge as he wasn't allowed his Sussex Royal USA franchise.

Quokkasarecutest · 02/05/2023 09:21

MamoruHisaishi · 02/05/2023 08:59

It's my opinion that Meghan didn't come across well, as I don't think she wanted to sound silly or California woo. And I doubt she wanted to come across as pretentious either.

I also don't have strong opinions on Meghan the way I do with Harry because she is who she is. She was an influencer/blogger/actress when she met Harry and I think Harry was the one who failed her. I also think she unfairly gets blamed for his screw ups and was also the victim of misogyny when she was blamed for brain washing Harry and ‘stealing’ him away. As if Harry was some naive child who didn't know what he was doing.

I'm also not denying that there may have been speculation regarding what the baby would look like, but my issue is that in the Oprah interview, Meghan agreed with Oprah when she said that there were concerns about how dark the baby’s skin colour would be. Wondering whether the baby would inherit their mother’s complexion or their father’s hair, even if considered a micro aggression, is far different to raising concerns about how dark someone's child would turn out.

Also, again, there seems to be some sort of dismissal regarding what Meghan herself has claimed regarding the treatment she received from the royal family. She has claimed that it was more to do with her being American than being black. It was to do with her not getting mental help from the royal family (even though that should have been Harry’s job). It was to do with her and Harry not wanting to follow the royal hierarchy where they were meant to support the future heirs, it was to do with not being allowed to make money as working royals, it was to do with supposed leakings from members of the royal family (even without direct evidence), it was to do with supposedly the palace not continuously defending Meghan whenever there were negative stories about her (despite Catherine, Diana and Fergie and Beatrice and Eugene having endured the same).

Harry’s book also doesn't really show any instances of racism towards Meghan by the royal family, rather their grievances were more to do with Kate not looking happy to be sharing her lip gloss (even though she was pregnant at the time and some people just find it unhygienic to share lipgloss), or that both William and Kate weren't huggers and weren't as warm towards Meghan (who was a complete stranger to them at the time).

I'm all for the truth if there were instances of racism that Meghan endured from the royal family, but so far the only one mentioned by Meghan and Harry so far ended up being denied/minimized/dismissed by them.

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This is all very true. Posters just ignore all of that because it shows that in many ways Harry and Meghan were the architects of their own downfall, in reputational terms.

They have become the embarrassing relatives to the RF in exactly the same way that the Markles are embarrassing relatives to them. Meghan is entitled to go NC to her siblings & William is entitled to do the same.

Knowing Meghan had these embarrassing relatives in the wings, it’s hard to say how the situation could have been handled better. Kate invited her dodgy uncle to her wedding. Perhaps Meghan should have done the same. Kept them on side, given them a free holiday, NDAs signed, allowed them to benefit a tiny bit from her good fortune.

Everyone will say ‘why on earth should she invite horrible relatives she hates to her wedding?’ And yes, it would have felt galling. But it would have been shrewd - it probably would have helped to avoid the PR carcrash that marked the beginning of the end for her and Harry.

Lampzade · 02/05/2023 09:21

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:19

I now see what they mean. There is a narrative that she is a "creation" of her father, and a "creation" of the Royal Family. Everything she did between childhood and marrying Harry is dismissed because the narrative has to be maintained that she is "owned" by and "owes" her father, and she is "owned" by and "owes" the Royal Family.

I missed this comment, MN is very glitchy atm. But this is really important and totally what is happening, I see it on this board all the time. It’s interesting also that people like to separate her from her close bond with her mother by lying that her mother abandoned her. The black woman who birthed her is not owed, is irrelevant, while the white people that ‘made her’ are owed something by her and own and are responsible for, her success.

This in a nutshell

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:22

Reporters trade off the ‘royal’ word… ‘royal commentator’, ‘royal reporter’ ‘royal expert’ I mean 🤷🏽‍♀️ it’s a word, it’s not owned by the British!

By focus I mean when he’s talking about the issues he has, they are in the main about how the institution destroys the family. In my opinion, after reading the book.

Whaeanui · 02/05/2023 09:24

@Lampzade thank you, it’ll be denied or minimised by the posters that do it but we see it, it’s clear as day.

Rhondaa · 02/05/2023 09:25

'They have become the embarrassing relatives to the RF in exactly the same way that the Markles are embarrassing relatives to them. Meghan is entitled to go NC to her siblings & William is entitled to do the same.'

Yes it's all a such weird history repeating itself situation.

Thomas markle etc are evil for dishing the dirt to the media. Harold and his wife are heroes for dishing the dirt to the media. It must be exhausting for some posters to keep track of what they're actually defending.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/05/2023 09:26

I missed this comment, MN is very glitchy atm. But this is really important and totally what is happening, I see it on this board all the time. It’s interesting also that people like to separate her from her close bond with her mother by lying that her mother abandoned her. The black woman who birthed her is not owed, is irrelevant, while the white people that ‘made her’ are owed something by her and own and are responsible for, her success.

Oh my God YES!!

The role of Meghan's mother is minimised to nothing, even to the point of saying she "abandoned" her daughter, and is also tied to "she's a black woman so she must have been in prison" narrative.

Add to that the attempts to deny Meghan agency over the birthing of her own children, and you get the surrogate and fake pregnancy conspiracy theories which make Meghan a criminal who defrauded Britain's oldest institution to get her children into the line of succession. Theories, incidentally, propagated by the brother and sister that people feel sorry for, and by some of the people who have hosted the father that people feel sorry for. I am still aghast that he was going to stay over the Jubilee with that Colin Campbell woman, on a trip sponsored by GB News.

Thank you so much for this observation.