The Press & The Royals: a discussion

[Whaeanui]

As we were just having a great discussion on this topic I’m going to try again to continue it on a thread of its own. A previous thread highlighted two particularly prolific ‘royal reporters’, but the same is true for all. They often manufacture stories to create divisions between the women in the family, more often than the men. The public seem to feed off this and none of the family get treated very well except the monarch. So do we think it is possible for the royal family to stay relevant and in the publics mind without their unhealthy relationship with the media? Can social media replace this? What do you think they can do to make positive changes that would reflect an understanding of the mental health challenges the media intrusion results in? Also their role in charities that deal with mental health and misogyny, mistreatment of women etc could be impacted by this too. Thoughts?
Please do not derail this thread by discussing your personal dislike of particular members or if they deserve it. I would like a discussion on how the royal family could change the relationship with the press.

Must have been dreaming when you described it as “hilariously cringeworthy” and that it was Diana and Andrew Parker-Bowles you felt sorry for, then?

@PicturesOfDogs
"It’s funny how he’s ‘Willy moneybags’ when it suits, but then it’s all public money when that suits"

If you researched it you will see that the 'royals' have massively increased their wealth VIA access to public funds

Unfortunately though, Williams case has been brought into the public sphere as a direct result of Harrys case.

In fact, Harry is using Williams case as proof that dodgy dealings occurred, which were in turn detrimental to him.

You can’t really accuse the public of not supporting both, when H is accusing W in court.

Its a sad state of affairs all round really.

In this situation where the print media pit one brother agains another and spin that William is in the wrong because he settled out of court, rather than take the same steps Harry has, is typical of the British tabloid press. They are scum, Harry is correct in that. For the pro harry and Meghan brigade to step up and say William should have done as Harry has, is a pathetic attempt to continue the media spin started in the tabloids.

The only people in the wrong are the British press and the British people who lap up scandal for the sake of it.

Busy on advanced search I see. It was that, you call it sneering I don't. I have also said repeatedly what an invasion of privacy it was

If it was Harry who broke williams confidentiality, then shame on him

That's really not a reasonable ask of someone. Press regulation needs Leveson 2. Hoping that rich people will sign away years of their life is not a sufficient substitute.

I could not agree more with this. As I said upthread, we need this and an independent press regulator with actual teeth. And the statutory power to compel media companies to hand over information, including the identity of their sources.

The only people in the wrong are the British press and the British people who lap up scandal for the sake of it.

Which you do endlessly. You constantly talk about press claims re H & M.

@dolma

Looks like the queen planned to sue

Charles and William were against it
Why on earth would that be ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/25/charles-undermined-late-queens-plan-to-sue-news-uk-murdoch-sun-prince-harry-tells-court?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Oh clever you. This is a bit stalkery. I have also said REPEATEDLY that it was an invasion of privacy but ignore that bit why don't you.

Charles and William were against it
Why on earth would that be ?

Because it was their private information that would be pored over in the ensuing trail perhaps?

This is crux of it

If Willaim is private affairs to hide - that affects the image of the monarchy
So is that private or public ?

Charles needed good press for Camilla

Is that private or public ?

It;’s not stalkerly when a poster vehemently denies doing something that I (and others) personally recall they have done. More like an attempt at gaslighting, really.

It’s interesting isn’t it.

I agree there needs to be more done, and it shouldn’t be down to the victims to make it their ‘campaign’ as it were.

I couldn’t disagree with your last statement more though.

I feel like compelling sources to be revealed would massively hinder investigative journalism, and could have some really detrimental effects that would result in more secrecy, not less.

It’s a fine line to balance, isn’t it

Surely setting up enquiries and press regulation bodies are the role of government

Imagine some of the posters on here if the RF took the lead and demanded it.

These are the posters already up in arms that the RF get the option to review Bills 😀

I think you have to stop stalking posters. It's weird. And shows you up.

Ignore the fact Ive condemned it too

@Novella4 hmmm but privacy could mean initiate phone calls with his wife… why does that need to be public? How does that affect the monarchy? They’re still people and we don’t need to be privy to every conversation they have. Issues concerning money are different.

I have a good memory Roussette - I remembered you’d made the comment and Diana and AP-B because you addressed it directly to me!

Clever you

I'm in awe

It’s not “stalking” to correct a false assertion…

Trying to wriggle out of the unpalatable truth that you have indeed sneered publicly at the results of a hacked phone conversation isn’t working.

Regardless, it’s information obtained illegally and therefore not for the public domain. What you think or do not think of the monarchy doesn’t give you the right to listen to their phone calls. You don’t get to decide the conditions under which they’re entitled to privacy.

@Roussette

You’ve been found out again, no-one is stalking you 🙄 just pointing out (again) some of the hypocrisy of your ‘pronouncements

just own it and move on

I think many of us on this thread are old hats - I think it’s mostly stayed on topic but we may all recall there have been some interpersonal issues between posters which have veered into personal attacks and posting in bad faith. Please stop.

it’s information obtained illegally and therefore not for the public domain

This totally, this! I would also say some things obtained legally don’t need to be revealed either! Everyone should be allowed a private life.