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Ndd135632 · 2023-03-30T19:27:02+00:00

I never post on this forum. I am not a massive royalist and have been dismayed recently with all the shenanigans. But with all the division going on I so loved listening to Charles speak in Germany today. Respect that he did so much in German. That is such a warm gesture. He is in Germany so he speaks German. Shame more Brits can’t do the same when abroad. And also lovely to listen to the peace and warmth in his voice. I am being an optimist and think solidarity and togetherness is the way forwards.

notanotheroneagain · 02/04/2023 13:41

smilesy · 02/04/2023 12:29

You said they are German, though. They may have and acknowledge German heritage but that is not the same thing. And the tone of the post sounded as though it were a negative thing that they were “German” whether that was the intention or not.

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Absolutely no where is being German being portrayed in a negative way on my post. They changed their last name because of the war. Absolutely, no one considers being German as nazi nowadays !

Sounds like you're the one with a negative attitude agains German, tbh.

notanotheroneagain · 02/04/2023 13:45

MarshaBradyo · 02/04/2023 11:49

Are there many portraits of the Queen everywhere?

I suppose they need to go and some might like the replacement

Oxford University students famously took down HMQE picture a few years back.

Never seen any in schools though.

smilesy · 02/04/2023 13:46

notanotheroneagain · 02/04/2023 13:41

Absolutely no where is being German being portrayed in a negative way on my post. They changed their last name because of the war. Absolutely, no one considers being German as nazi nowadays !

Sounds like you're the one with a negative attitude agains German, tbh.

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Sounds like you're the one with a negative attitude agains German, tbh.

Don’t be ridiculous. Stop trying to twist what was said. You said they are a “German family.” Obviously this is not a problem, except as pp have said, they themselves do not identify as German. And no one has mentioned Nazis anywhere

EnterChasedByAMemory · 02/04/2023 14:10

Coxspurplepippin · 31/03/2023 22:47

Nobody's fawning over anyone. Charles made a well received speech in Germany's seat of government, in a language not his first, that helps mend fractious relations with the EU. That is surely a good thing?

Brits are renowned for not bothering with other languages - plenty of people in other countries seem to manage to learn another language with no fuss. It's got nothing to do with money.

That’s a great point. It’s important to maintain diplomatic relations within the EU even though we’ve left.

EnterChasedByAMemory · 02/04/2023 14:14

cafecreme · 01/04/2023 09:55

I think he did well to speak in German (not easy) and it was appreciated. The tour was received positively in the German press.

It can be a bit embarrassing at times, being a Brit living in Europe. So it’s a nice change to see someone representing the UK who is respectful, compared to the excruciating behaviour from UK politicians that we’ve had to put up with in recent years.

For me it shows the value in soft diplomacy if that makes sense.

I am not a royalist but I agree and think that makes perfect sense. Curious to know what sort of behaviour you’d have to put up with in recent years @cafecreme.

EnterChasedByAMemory · 02/04/2023 14:17

Serenster · 01/04/2023 12:53

I see where we are back in Novella’s imaginary nirvana where all other constructional systems apart from the British monarchy are perfect. In the real world though, as most of us know, that’s not the case.

A head of state does not have his entire extended family , pedophiles included, living off the people . And yes they do take from the state - crown estate is publicly owned - no 'royals' -100% to the state
Novella has clearly never heard of Donald Trump and his numerous offspring…

A head of state is not above the law
It’s actually the norm in most constitutions for the Head of State to have immunity in their own country, and the International Court of Justice has also held that they have immunity from prosecution by other states too. Also, Novella can’t have ever heard of Silvio Berlusconi either, clearly…or Imelda Marcos, or many others. Actual criminals, not just people she doesn’t care for.

A head of state does not accept bags of cash and let someone else face the consequences ( if there are any - because 'royals ' are above the law)
Never heard of Cyril Ramphosa and his couch cushion stuffed with cash? Plenty of examples of dodgy financial dealings amongst world leaders who can’t point tot he fact, as Charles actually can, that the money was a donation that went through due process by the charity board before it was accepted.

A head of state can manage to sign a document without entitled hissing at assistants and tantruming over a pen
You can’t seriously never have come across examples of people holding high office behaving inappropriately? Getting cross at a pen pales into comparison against Julie Payette, in her role as Governor General of Canada having to resign because she harrassed her staff. Donald Trump threw his lunch at a White House wall. Eisenhower threw a golf club at someone and Richard Nixon threw ashtrays at staff.

So yes, Heads of State do all these things - and stay in office, and have high approval ratings too. Not having a monarchy is absolutely no guarantee that you’d have a system free from the aspects of the monarchy you dislike. Quite the opposite, in fact.

@Serenster Thank you for that. I’ll have a read about these interesting figures apart from the Donald.

EnterChasedByAMemory · 02/04/2023 14:23

jeffgoldblum · 01/04/2023 17:22

Yep @IcedPurple , I think this is the real value of the royal family, they transcend politics and forge relationships with other countries without the red tape and sniping you do often find politicians getting into .

I agree. They do have their merits. And I am looking forward to a slimmed down monarchy.

Georgiepud · 02/04/2023 14:24

I think other UK politicians (of both parties) have often stamped their foot in Europe to get what they wanted in the past.
Charles showed a calmer, more reasoned attitude, invoking rapprochement and co-operation.

EnterChasedByAMemory · 02/04/2023 14:39

Serenster · 02/04/2023 12:44

Yes - loads of public buildings currently have a portrait of the late Queen on display (which is quite normal for any head of state, not just in the UK). The scheme being referred to here is to enable those bodies that want to replace their picture for one of the King to do so free of charge. It’s not compulsory!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/portraits-of-his-majesty-the-king-for-uk-public-authorities

Also, while I have no doubt that North Korea requires most people to have an approved photo of their dear leader hung in pride of place, Thailand is the country that has actual laws about this.

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That’s interesting that it’s not compulsory. But still, I would have thought that the money could have been utilised elsewhere. I mean unless I missed it, I still haven’t seen much outrage over the leaked footage of Sunak taking money from deprived areas. Not sure how much it would cost to fund free school meals but 8 million pounds certainly would help.

Rishi Sunak admits taking money from deprived areas in leaked footage

Speaking in Tunbridge Wells, Rishi Sunak admitted that he took money as chancellor from deprived urban areas in order to distribute it to wealthy rural commu...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqQvrqunp8

Howsimplywonderful · 02/04/2023 15:03

I’d rather Charles than all the religious ones we still have knocking around in Ireland

Serenster · 02/04/2023 15:24

Sunak taking money from deprived areas

I live in Kent, where Rishi was speaking. Trust me, there are some seriously deprived areas there as well as in northern urban areas.

diddl · 03/04/2023 17:02

TeenDivided · 31/03/2023 16:31

Loved the 'dinner for one' joke.

Yes-someone had done their research!

EnterChasedByAMemory · 03/04/2023 17:20

Serenster · 02/04/2023 15:24

Sunak taking money from deprived areas

I live in Kent, where Rishi was speaking. Trust me, there are some seriously deprived areas there as well as in northern urban areas.

Oh you mean when Sunak was talking about changing the funding formulas? If I remember correctly he was at Tunbridge Wells Constitutional Club. I’m sure there are deprived areas including in Kent but his wording was very interesting.

Rishi Sunak admits taking money from deprived areas in leaked footage

Speaking in Tunbridge Wells, Rishi Sunak admitted that he took money as chancellor from deprived urban areas in order to distribute it to wealthy rural commu...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqQvrqunp8

Novella4 · 03/04/2023 18:20

@Serenster

I won't copy your long post ( seriously -how do you find the time? Are you retired - or working full time to suppress objections to monarchy lol?

The fact is when politicians break the law , they are then subject to that law ( you must have seen the news re Trump).

Charles is not subject to the law - never mind Andrew , Mountbatten etc and their heinous crimes ...

And despite your flippant dismissal of Charles accepting bags of cash - the Crown prosecution service does not share that view and they say there is a case to answer .

Having anyone above the law is not acceptable in 2023 .
The example you give of politicans having immunity - only applies when in office ! As you well know I'm sure .
No one should be above the law and Charles is .
This is not acceptable

MarshaMelrose · 03/04/2023 18:51

Charles is not subject to the law - never mind Andrew , Mountbatten etc and their heinous crimes ...
And despite your flippant dismissal of Charles accepting bags of cash - the Crown prosecution service does not share that view and they say there is a case to answer .

Are you saying that the CPS are pursuing a case against the king? I haven't heard that. Can you link the source?

Clearly from that, Charles is not above the law. Andrew has been sued so he's not above the law. And Mountbatten is dead.

Serenster · 03/04/2023 22:10

The fact is when politicians break the law , they are then subject to that law ( you must have seen the news re Trump).

Ah yes - Trump. Facing charges for his corrupt activities; for inciting a riot on the Capitol; for illegally taking classified information to Mar a Largo; and for trying to unlawfully alter the result of the 2020 election…. oh, wait no.

He’s not facing charges for any of those activities, committed while he was in office. The charges relate to financial transactions to cover up various things so he could run for President in 2016. We’ll have to wait (and wait, and wait) for him to be held responsible for his activities while in office….

(and I rattled that post off quickly based on my general knowledge as it happens. This one too 😀)

Novella4 · 04/04/2023 08:50

@MarshaMelrose
@Serenster

The whole point is the 'king' can do what he likes !

Not only is he above the law - anything he does do cannot be labelled as illegal! A subtle but powerful difference from attempts to say diplomats also have immunity . Diplomats are still subject to the law and each case is loooked at on its own merits .
Not the case in medieval FUBAR island

So if charles attacks someone ( you can do your own research ) and not only can he not be prosecuted but it can't be called illegal

It is another medieval remnant that has never been reformed .

Well the brits ( mainly English actually) just shrug don't they ? Meh?
See lots of it here from brainwashed royalists
Surely even the most craven can agree that the winsdors must be subject to the law ?

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/14/queen-immunity-british-laws-private-property

This is the sort of issue that motivates republicans
I don't care if you keep your king . Knock yourself out . Crowd fund him.
But let's have a modern democracy and drag ourselves away from medieval deference to a dodgy family who protect sex offenders and pick and choose which laws they'd like to ignore

Novella4 · 04/04/2023 09:06

Actually I should qualify that
' it's mainly the English'

That's not fair

It's older ( 65+) right wing types who are in favour of the monarchy
( yes I know there will be the exception of a left winger who loves the queen - few and far between now )
There is clear division among younger people and a majority against in those under 30

Demographics are coming for them - hence Charles big promise to 'slim down ' the monarchy .
Another lie of course .

MarshaMelrose · 04/04/2023 09:11

Novella4 · 04/04/2023 08:50

@MarshaMelrose
@Serenster

The whole point is the 'king' can do what he likes !

Not only is he above the law - anything he does do cannot be labelled as illegal! A subtle but powerful difference from attempts to say diplomats also have immunity . Diplomats are still subject to the law and each case is loooked at on its own merits .
Not the case in medieval FUBAR island

So if charles attacks someone ( you can do your own research ) and not only can he not be prosecuted but it can't be called illegal

It is another medieval remnant that has never been reformed .

Well the brits ( mainly English actually) just shrug don't they ? Meh?
See lots of it here from brainwashed royalists
Surely even the most craven can agree that the winsdors must be subject to the law ?

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/14/queen-immunity-british-laws-private-property

This is the sort of issue that motivates republicans
I don't care if you keep your king . Knock yourself out . Crowd fund him.
But let's have a modern democracy and drag ourselves away from medieval deference to a dodgy family who protect sex offenders and pick and choose which laws they'd like to ignore

But you said..
And despite your flippant dismissal of Charles accepting bags of cash - the Crown prosecution service does not share that view and they say there is a case to answer .
When the CPS say there is a case to answer, it means they're going to prosecute. So if you're saying the CPS is going to prosecute, then the king cannot be above the law.
So your two statements of
"The king is above the law."

And "The CPS say there is a case to answer."
cannot both be true.