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Excellent article - Harry the Whistleblower

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Bugeyedowl · 10/02/2023 19:03

A really interesting and thoughtful article on Royals' involvement with the tabloids - why are they so obsessed with their own popularity, to the extent that they even attack their own?

Why ‘Spare’ Is About a Much-Needed Media Reform

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Coxspurplepippin · 11/02/2023 13:24

Morestrangethings, it's almost like you think robots are sentient beings. Amazing.

Mischance · 11/02/2023 13:28

"poor deluded saps" indeed.

GloomyDarkness · 11/02/2023 13:29

It delivered us Brexit; it delivered us Boris.

Personally I think the were many more issues and reasons for both of those than just tabloid press - though they and wider media did play a roll but to overplay their influence gives them more power than they in reality have.

I think biases in newspapers and media is often more generally talked about and acknowledged in UK than say the US. It's also not uncommon to read a right wing paper and also listen to BBC/channel 4 who strive for more unbiased approach (though in recent years unchallenged biases there have become more obvious).

The US news we do see on tv and YouTube is strange to my UK eyes it so obviously slanted left and right it's almost comical and I think everything is more polarised politically.

notanotheroneagain · 11/02/2023 14:56

A lot of IFS in that rant. Hypotheses that she's throwing out without any idea whether they're true or not and clearly no interest in discussing it further.

The IFS are not questioning what took place, but the intentions. We all saw the negative briefings.

She does realise there hasn't been an Empire since 1947, doesn't she? oh no, it appears not.

As historians have said, Commonwealth is Empire by another name. You are well aware we have been paying millions to slave owners compensation as recent as this century, right? Not the slaves and their descents though.

Funny enough, the same rags who always side with Camilla were the ones who called it 'her party'. I am guessing it's the same as the 'Duke of Norfolk is hosting the Coronation' and other extravagant parties etc. who cares. That is just how these things work.

We (the plebs) are not that dumb. We will go along with the 'supremely chosen family' and pomp and ceremony nonsense, but we just will not accept racism and abuse. Full stop!

Excellent article - Harry the Whistleblower
Ohifyouinsist · 11/02/2023 15:01

Parisj · 11/02/2023 07:37

If they are not popular, they're a gonner. Of course they are obsessed. Royal families have to maintain just enough mystique and superiority for the people to think they are something special, and worth maintaining, and just enough popular appeal for people not to want to uprise against them. Its all smoke and mirrors.

This. They're reliant on popularity and kowtowing from the masses for their existence. It was the same when Diana first came on the scene. Charles was peevish about her being more popular than him. Nothing has changed.

Morestrangethings · 11/02/2023 15:14

Coxspurplepippin · 11/02/2023 13:24

Morestrangethings, it's almost like you think robots are sentient beings. Amazing.

This is the last I’m going to say about this because now you are trying to make out I’m stupid or crazy: The conservative federal government who implemented Robodebt knew it was illegal before the program started. And they were told more than once during its operation that it was illegal. They knew what was wrong with Robodebt but they didn’t care. They didn’t care when people killed themselves over ‘debts’ that weren’t real debts, many others tried to commit suicide, people died of stress and worry, marriages broke up, people went bankrupt, bank accounts were raided, tax returns were garnished and people were left unable to feed themselves, or their families, and so on. That’s only part of what we’ve heard they did, during this Royal Commission.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/02/2023 15:42

This woman has got so many facts wrong op. From taking what Harry said as gospel to stating HMQ interfered British politics by proroguing parliament. Going against the advice of one’s PM is not done precisely because the RF do not as a rule interfere in politics. The only story Harry categorically claimed was leaked by Camilla categorically was not. She claims to have knowledge of this country, knowledge of the press and the inner workings of the RF. But everything she says is from her bias and knowledge of her country, what she has been fed and her media, her understanding of the world, which doesn’t work because she seemingly is neither British nor raised here.

Simply put, everything she is arguing is happening to us and our bias is actually happening to her and her bias.

GloomyDarkness · 11/02/2023 16:00

Morestrangethings Interesting I've not heard anything about that over here yet.

There are parallels with post office scandal in UK widespread miscarriage of justice in UK history due to poorly developed computer system.

Post Office scandal: What the Horizon saga is all about

It was first being cover by computer weekly in my 20s nearly 20 year ago - but then Rochdale and many subsequent similar scandals also had years of official and often political indifference- the recent maternity death scandals seem to follow similar pattern one scandal dies down then another in new area.

In contrast proroguing parliament was immediately argued and reported on and quickly seem to hit the courts - so while bad was well known, widely reported and quickly dealt with and many saw it as very Boris - the system is politically Monarch does what PM says though technically they can ignore PM but that has in last few decades tended to mean they lose that power going forward and the late Queens especially tried to appear none political as expected of the constitutional monarchy system that's evolved here.

MarshaMelrose · 11/02/2023 17:35

Morestrangethings · 11/02/2023 07:27

First, I asked, “has nobody anything to say about this?” Then, “Is this true?”

No one on this thread addresses this I should have noted, I guess, to avoid misunderstanding. (I wasn’t asking nationally. I’d be really bloody surprised if this had not been addressed nationally - if it happened. )

And no I don’t live in the UK (I’m pretty sure you know that of me, I’ve said so on these threads many times). It’s not your first response to me either. Nor do I live ‘under a rock’ (why go to personal insults?). But your King is my King, and our head of state. Our late Queen did interfere in our politics and the result was The Dismissal in 1975. Hence, why this struck me as also being pretty freaking shocking, if it is true as I asked.

So, how did this all turn out? Somebody prorogued parliament illegally, it would seem?

It happened in 2019. The idea it's not been addressed is...🙄. Why would people still be talking about it 3 years later? Boris and the conservatives porogued parliament. Told the Queen it was legal. She had no choice but to sign it off. The courts ruled the poroguing was illegal. Boris apologised to the Queen. Life chugged on.

I do know your name amongst many others but I can't remember countries of origin and residence of everyone.

MarshaMelrose · 11/02/2023 17:37

EnterChasedByAMemory · 11/02/2023 09:21

Sorry when did Harry say that lies printed about himself to make himself sound better? Just curious Smile

Hiding and denying his drug usage

milveycrohn · 13/02/2023 23:17

Proroguing parliament was declared unlawful by the judges, which is not the same as being illegal; ie there was no prior Act of Parliament on it.
This was not really the late Queen's fault. She was doing what the Prime Minister of the day (Boris Johnson) requested. Consequently, this was not really considered a problem with the monarchy, but with the Government, and especially the former Prime Minister.
P. Harry is actually very fond of the media, hence his interview with Oprah (broadcast on the media), deals with Netflix, Spotify. He is just against media that criticises him, and blames the British Press for his mother's death, even though it was actually French and Italian paparazzi that was folowing P. Diana.

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