Excellent article - Harry the Whistleblower

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A really interesting and thoughtful article on Royals' involvement with the tabloids - why are they so obsessed with their own popularity, to the extent that they even attack their own?

Why ‘Spare’ Is About a Much-Needed Media Reform

If they are not popular, they're a gonner. Of course they are obsessed. Royal families have to maintain just enough mystique and superiority for the people to think they are something special, and worth maintaining, and just enough popular appeal for people not to want to uprise against them. Its all smoke and mirrors.

Somebody prorogued parliament illegally, it would seem?

did you just find this out? This was huge - wall to wall headlines across MSM. The judge with the spider brooch? Johnson having to apologise to HMQ?

Popularity has nothing to do with a desire to help charities, it's what makes a popular monarchy survive. The key is in the name.

They're finished if enough members of the public don't support them; the media is the main way to access the public. Not at all surprising this leads to dodgy behaviour.

Camilla did have Clarkson on as a guest on her one hour documentary ‘Country Life,’ I think it was called. (She was editor on an edition of a magazine by that name, or something like it). She chose him to write an article in it, about farming I think, she says so.

But that is not proof they are friends, I agree. But it’s not a good look. Especially when it was shown around the same time as Clarkson’s vile piece of shite was published. About 2 days after she was at the same lunch as both fine, upstanding journos (sarcasm).

I think it’s more a matter of the new guard trying to do things differently and stumbling at the first lot of hurdles. And lunching with the wrong people. I find it hard to believe any woman would encourage that nasty bloke to write what he did. Clarkson will never be seen in any royal’s company again.

I do think someone from the Royal Family should have made a public denouncement of the article and writer at the time.

yes I did just find this out. Britain isn’t the only country in the world. I live in another country. Many posters on here do. We have govts and politics here too, but do tell me what you know about the current Royal Commission into Robodebt - happening right now, so easier subject. (Without googling it).

Australia holds royal commissions at the drop of a hat - it's a bit hard to keep up! Robodebt - computer says no, causing hardship to thousands.

Prorogation of parliament was down to Johnson's lies. I thought Gough Whitlam was sacked because the Australian Govt reached a stalemate and no-one would budge, so the country was, in effect, paralysed. Subsequent election, labour went down the plughole.

Sorry when did Harry say that lies printed about himself to make himself sound better? Just curious

Camilla did have Clarkson on as a guest on her one hour documentary ‘Country Life,’ I think it was called. (She was editor on an edition of a magazine by that name, or something like it). She chose him to write an article in it, about farming I think, she says so.
Whatevs. I'm watching Clarkson's Farm 2 this weekend. Bloody brilliant!

1. No, not the robots fault. You don’t understand Robodebt obviously. And having royal commissions is not a drop of the hat thing. Regular yes. But not drop of the hat. But I’ll let the Royal Commission into Robodebt, currently being held, know that Coxourpllin has figured it all out.

2. no, nowhere near that simple.

Obviously my shorthand didn't contain enough detail - but, apologies for derailing the thread.

The non sentient computers aren't the ones at fault but using technology to issue debt notices is a very black and white way of assessing someone's indebtedness. So shorthand 'computer says no'.

Historical papers indicate Kerr 'went rogue' dismissing Whitlam, in that the Queen only found out after the fact. The situation with the Australian govt at the time was similar to occasions when the US Senate has blocked finance bills meaning govt employees can't get paid. It's pretty serious.

How silly. Clarkson has solid relationships with many of the royals lasting decades. He would also have been reasonably friendly towards Harry before the changeling situation unfolded. Of course they have mutual loyalties. Why should they let short-term disruptions come in the way of those solid friendships?

1. you are still wrong - and the robot is not taking the fall on this one. We are well past that. But again, I’ll let the Royal Commission into Robodebt know you’ve figured it out before they have.

2. “What of the 212 Palace letters? They confirm for Hocking what she had previously concluded from other archival sources: that the Queen abetted Whitlam’s dismissal. The correspondence between Kerr and the Queen’s private secretary, Sir Martin Charteris (her ‘‘amanuensis. His words are her words’’), show that the Palace was privy for months to knowledge that Kerr was contemplating dismissing the government and knew that the governor-general had failed in his duty to warn Whitlam.”

Sydney Morning Herald 3 December 2020.

So Kerr did not go rogue on the Queen. (On Whitlam, yes) Was it Martin Chatteris not informing the Queen of something of the absolute utmost importance to do with a country in which she was Head of State? Should he get to take the fall on this and no blame attached to the Queen?

Her representative in Australia did not tell her, nor did her private secretary? If so, the palace grey suits really are in charge.

oh I agree the blocking of supply by a conservative senate was similar to the US. But no dismissal of a leader and the democratically elected govt. in the US. Bed time in Australia. goodnight.

It doesn’t mean her opinions are invalid but it does mean we have no reason to seek them out.

I read a few lines and stopped. She takes as fact everything Harry, the (by his own admission) unreliable narrator, told his ghost writer. So I stopped both because I don’t know of her and because opinions based wholesale on the emotional tantrums of an admitted recreational drug user do not interest me.

I’d like some evidence of any sort that Camilla, Charles, Catherine or William have ever purposely “leaked” or “briefed” or caused such a thing to happen, anything about Harry or Meghan. I simple do not believe it ever happened. The one instance where he provided details is provably untrue.

We also see the OP repeating things that were proven untrue, and citing the pages of a trashy mag that routinely provides young women with tips on pleasuring men as a source.

If you believe your info from various sources means reading trash like Cosmopolitan, I don’t think you should be pointing a finger at anyone else.

Wow, great article OP.

It incapsulates, articulately, everything I think about the whole RF saga.

Too many things things to point out. All resonate. Fully agree on how these little - seemingly insignificant - stories are placed to radicalise and make people form an opinion. No one wants to be seen as being taken for a fool, but for their own good, I always hope people quietly take a hard look and see that they have been lied to.

So if the British Monarchy decides on things by what’s good for them, instead of what’s good for its people and the Commonwealth, why does the British public pay them?

If the Monarchy operates on popularity and its members planting misleading stories about other members so they could be written about in a positive light, if they only exist to look into their lives in the press; how does that make them different from Kardashians?

Throwing each other under the bus, planting positive stories in the tabloids, making moves that benefit them and not the public, why is the Monarchy then still alive, if it serves themselves and not the people?

Also

Does Britain, or the rest of the world need a Monarchy that fears tabloids? A great British Empire literally FEARS, wait for it - the Daily Mail!

Let that sink in.

Are we also supposed to believe that Camilla, just gets invited without seeing any invite list. So an ISIS/NF/BUF/ you name it, any nonce or killer can just show up, no problem, she doesn't know. They are not vetted.

We already know her people are on a WhatsApp group with these creepy royal rats.

So if the British Monarchy decides on things by what’s good for them, instead of what’s good for its people and the Commonwealth, why does the British public pay them?

If the Monarchy operates on popularity and its members planting misleading stories about other members so they could be written about in a positive light, if they only exist to look into their lives in the press; how does that make them different from Kardashians?

Throwing each other under the bus, planting positive stories in the tabloids, making moves that benefit them and not the public, why is the Monarchy then still alive, if it serves themselves and not the people?

A lot of IFS in that rant. Hypotheses that she's throwing out without any idea whether they're true or not and clearly no interest in discussing it further.

Does Britain, or the rest of the world need a Monarchy that fears tabloids? A great British Empire literally FEARS, wait for it - the Daily Mail!

She does realise there hasn't been an Empire since 1947, doesn't she? oh no, it appears not.

I read a few lines and stopped. She takes as fact everything Harry, the (by his own admission) unreliable narrator, told his ghost writer. So I stopped both because I don’t know of her and because opinions based wholesale on the emotional tantrums of an admitted recreational drug user do not interest me

Pretty much my stance.

We already know her people are on a WhatsApp group with these creepy royal rats

We do? 😮

If someone contends attending a party is the same as hosting a party, there is no point in discussing anything with them.

It’s a flat lie at this point to suggest Camilla hosted that brunch. Not a mistake, a purposeful lie. Everyone knows she did not host it.

Whatever the objective of the lie, it’s an exercise in futility to even engage. Because it’s impossible to believe a person that purposely conflates words like “attend” and “host” is going to be honest in any discussion.

Give it up Harry and his wife in hiding are a laughing stock

I imagine their social life is a bit thin right now. What A lister is going to entertain someone who uses the lives of people they know as book fodder?

Also, security vet a guest list to ensure people are not a physical threat. You know this.

You don’t for one moment believe that spending time in the same space with someone means you like or approve of them. Otherwise you would never read nor post on this board at all.

Disingenuousness at its finest.

It is both sad, and very very frightening, how the public is influenced in their thoughts by the tabloid press.

It delivered us Brexit; it delivered us Boris.

I have always applauded Harry for having no truck with this; more power to his elbow.

It is both sad, and very very frightening, how the public is influenced in their thoughts by the tabloid press

But not you, presumably. Just the poor deluded saps who can't see through it like you can.

Morestrangethings, it's almost like you think robots are sentient beings. Amazing.