American media - Harry did not go far enough

OutForBreakfast · 2023-01-30T12:16:27+00:00

"American media says Prince Harry 'didn't go far enough' with attack on Royal Family The LA Times published an opinion piece in which they say Harry showed the Royal Family to be "cold and ruthless."" https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1722626/prince-harry-royal-family-attack-spare-book-america

Novella4 · 30/01/2023 13:19

They are right .
I've listened to the book.
He is restrained about others but open about himself .
I'm a republican but I find his approach admirable .
He has been mocked ( by those short of critical thinking ability ) for some revelations but what he has done is lay everything out .
They have nothing on him.

Meanwhile the 'royals ' are busy trying to hold back the avalanche of skeletons ready to come tumbling out

Comments on the bcc re the food bank PR prat fall show that more and more people are seeing through the lies re the 'royals'

ohdelay · 30/01/2023 14:11

I agree @Novella4 after wading through the book (which was a slog). He exposed the media and their manipulation of his words out of context at every turn (before they realised they were just encouraging book sales).
I will never read anything from "sources close to" or "a royal expert" again without calling bullshit immediately. I'm a new republican now the queen is gone and the best thing he has done is lay it all out so they have absolutely nothing on him. Anyone else they're keeping secrets on will still have to dance, but he's technically free.

purpledalmation · 30/01/2023 15:49

Unfortunately he has laid nothing out as people are claiming. An allegation someone asked about skin colour. No names and not the exact words. So the entire family lived under a cloud for two years and then he says they're not racist. . Allegations that stories were planted negative to him and his wife. What stories. Who planted them. Names and dates? Nothing. A big fat zero but plant your own lies and stories knowing no one will defend themselves and you have a winning strategy. Only it's not. Too many people do actually exercise critical thinking and don't believe everything they read in the papers or SM or some sleazy book.

ohdelay · 30/01/2023 20:45

You've misinterpreted me, he hasn't spilled dirt on anyone other than himself. HIs drug taking, his mental health issues, his fights with his family, his killings in Afghanistan, his issues with the press. No more blackmail material from the people who write stories as he's gone to confession. I'm sure other members of the royal family have done similar stuff or worse but they're stuck dancing for the media and briefing against each other. In that regard it's pretty brave and clever and I have a new found respect for him. You cant negotiate with terrorists. Shame more people don't exercise critical thinking

CathyorClaire · 30/01/2023 21:20

I'd have liked to have seen reflection on the wilful shooting of protected birds of prey and a protected water buffalo rather than sniggering references to stallions (while leaving various women open to speculation) and frost nipped cocks but hey-ho.

The American press are right to call him on stopping short of criticising the royal tit he's been sucking on since birth and focusing instead on the easier target of those who actually work however symbiotically.

Teddeh · 31/01/2023 03:41

Here's the original article (you can close the SUBSCRIBE! ad to view the full page):

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2023-01-17/prince-harry-spare-charles-william-camilla-royal-family

MarshaMelrose · 31/01/2023 03:51

Gah! It's just an American entertainment writer quoting a guy from the anti-monarchist website. Clearly the state of the USA and their present leadership is too painful to dwell on so they're trying to distract by discussing the RF. Very sensible of her. And green suits her.

RoseHansBolo · 31/01/2023 04:46

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ItsCurtainstothat · 31/01/2023 05:26

ohdelay · 30/01/2023 20:45

You've misinterpreted me, he hasn't spilled dirt on anyone other than himself. HIs drug taking, his mental health issues, his fights with his family, his killings in Afghanistan, his issues with the press. No more blackmail material from the people who write stories as he's gone to confession. I'm sure other members of the royal family have done similar stuff or worse but they're stuck dancing for the media and briefing against each other. In that regard it's pretty brave and clever and I have a new found respect for him. You cant negotiate with terrorists. Shame more people don't exercise critical thinking

Do you really think he’s put everything negative about himself in the book? I think there are much worse things that he has done that he had held back. I also think his recollections aren’t entirely truthful shall we say. It’s all very cherry picked.

Teddeh · 31/01/2023 12:34

MarshaMelrose · 31/01/2023 03:51

Gah! It's just an American entertainment writer quoting a guy from the anti-monarchist website. Clearly the state of the USA and their present leadership is too painful to dwell on so they're trying to distract by discussing the RF. Very sensible of her. And green suits her.

Of course it's an entertainment writer; we're talking about a widely-hyped book written by a celebrity who has most recently been known for his TV appearances. The fact that the original article is in the entertainment-books-TV section is a clue. And it's not so terribly shocking that the article is "by an American", given that it's on a US-based site.

Articles about the state of the USA and its present leadership would be in the news section of that very famous anti-monarchist site "The Los Angeles Times". Which hasn't even bothered to report yet on the "UK is the only G7 country whose economy will shrink in 2023" story. I really doubt anyone is using Prince Harry to deflect attention from anything; it's just a popular puff story that reels readers in. A better question would be why are the UK tabloids repeating it uncritically? Because idiots will click on the Express link, as usual.

AllOutofEverything · 31/01/2023 12:38

ItsCurtainstothat · 31/01/2023 05:26

Do you really think he’s put everything negative about himself in the book? I think there are much worse things that he has done that he had held back. I also think his recollections aren’t entirely truthful shall we say. It’s all very cherry picked.

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He has put everything in so no one can hold him to ransom. No one can come and say do this or say this or the press will publish about that incident. It sets him free.

Bluekerfuffle · 31/01/2023 12:46

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The writer also claims that, in Harry's view, King Charles is "detached and relentlessly self-serving", Prince William is "dull and peevish" and Camilla is "a conniving stepmother straight out of Disney-villain central casting'.

Camilla, his father and brother, for a start. Pat the matron at his school.

Bluekerfuffle · 31/01/2023 12:48

purpledalmation · 30/01/2023 15:49

Unfortunately he has laid nothing out as people are claiming. An allegation someone asked about skin colour. No names and not the exact words. So the entire family lived under a cloud for two years and then he says they're not racist. . Allegations that stories were planted negative to him and his wife. What stories. Who planted them. Names and dates? Nothing. A big fat zero but plant your own lies and stories knowing no one will defend themselves and you have a winning strategy. Only it's not. Too many people do actually exercise critical thinking and don't believe everything they read in the papers or SM or some sleazy book.

Well said.

barneshome · 31/01/2023 12:56

He in a woke imbecile

limoncello23 · 31/01/2023 13:23

The response in America (from those that are interested) has been very different from that in the UK. I think it's reasonable to say that some/many Americans were expecting Harry to be anti-monarchist, because that's the normal, default position for Americans.

CathyorClaire · 31/01/2023 16:20

He has put everything in so no one can hold him to ransom. No one can come and say do this or say this or the press will publish about that incident. It sets him free.

He has a four book deal and reportedly the second volume of the memoir was originally to be released after the Queen died so hopefully he's held back something other than further gauche anecdotes or it'll be dead in the water.

That said I can see a similar fate for the reported 'wellness' book too.

MarshaMelrose · 31/01/2023 18:16

limoncello23 · 31/01/2023 13:23

The response in America (from those that are interested) has been very different from that in the UK. I think it's reasonable to say that some/many Americans were expecting Harry to be anti-monarchist, because that's the normal, default position for Americans.

That's interesting to me. I saw one of the guys on rhe Behavior Panel (YouTube behaviourists channel) say something about not liking monarchies. They like having their system

Countries with monarchies don't really care if another country is a republic, monarchy or whatever. But America is anti monarchies. Why do they care one way or the other if Japan or Norway have a monarch? Do you think it's because they're less tolerant as a nation? Or maybe less understanding of differences and less interested into investigating how successfully other systems work?

I always feel that the US culture permeates through the UK (and the rest of the world) and yet we remain very different.

RoseHansBolo · 31/01/2023 18:51

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limoncello23 · 31/01/2023 22:59

MarshaMelrose · 31/01/2023 18:16

That's interesting to me. I saw one of the guys on rhe Behavior Panel (YouTube behaviourists channel) say something about not liking monarchies. They like having their system

Countries with monarchies don't really care if another country is a republic, monarchy or whatever. But America is anti monarchies. Why do they care one way or the other if Japan or Norway have a monarch? Do you think it's because they're less tolerant as a nation? Or maybe less understanding of differences and less interested into investigating how successfully other systems work?

I always feel that the US culture permeates through the UK (and the rest of the world) and yet we remain very different.

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I think that it might be because the American War of Independence and the idea of throwing off the tyranny of a king is an important part of their history. (Even though it was as much the British Parliament who was in charge at that point as the monarch.)

But my experience is that even compared to British republicans, the point of view in America is slightly different. Almost as if monarchies are as unreal as fairies but much more malevolent.

purpledalmation · 03/02/2023 13:18

No mention in the book of MMs suicidal thoughts. No mention of Archie's colour being discussed. Yes, not enough things said. I wonder if it's because these stories are so full of holes and so misleading, he daren't dig himself any deeper into his hole?

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2023 17:22

ItsCurtainstothat · 31/01/2023 05:26

Do you really think he’s put everything negative about himself in the book? I think there are much worse things that he has done that he had held back. I also think his recollections aren’t entirely truthful shall we say. It’s all very cherry picked.

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I agree and if he’s chosen incidents that he thinks paint him in a positive light, God knows what the things he’s kept quiet about are like.

Plitvice · 03/02/2023 17:25

I expect Meghan's book will deal with Archway's skin comments and her mental health so he is leaving it to her.

upinaballoon · 03/02/2023 19:52

limoncello23 · 31/01/2023 22:59

I think that it might be because the American War of Independence and the idea of throwing off the tyranny of a king is an important part of their history. (Even though it was as much the British Parliament who was in charge at that point as the monarch.)

But my experience is that even compared to British republicans, the point of view in America is slightly different. Almost as if monarchies are as unreal as fairies but much more malevolent.

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Interesting points. I have spoken to an American or two and I would agree that the shaking off of the British rule in the War of Independence is ingrained into them. Would the words 'into their national psyche' be right?

onlylarkin · 03/02/2023 20:28

MarshaMelrose · 31/01/2023 18:16

That's interesting to me. I saw one of the guys on rhe Behavior Panel (YouTube behaviourists channel) say something about not liking monarchies. They like having their system

Countries with monarchies don't really care if another country is a republic, monarchy or whatever. But America is anti monarchies. Why do they care one way or the other if Japan or Norway have a monarch? Do you think it's because they're less tolerant as a nation? Or maybe less understanding of differences and less interested into investigating how successfully other systems work?

I always feel that the US culture permeates through the UK (and the rest of the world) and yet we remain very different.

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That all Americans are anti-monarchy is a sweeping generalization and untrue.

Some Americans are anti monarchy.

Some Americans are pro-monarchy.

The majority couldn't care less because it does not have anything to do with us.