So who are these "certain people" Harry kept alluding to?

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I saw about an hour of his interview with Tom B and he mentioned several times that "certain people" in the RF were collaborating with the media to spin a false/harmful 'narrative' about him and M.
He outright accused Camilla of doing so at one point, but didn't name any others.

I've no strong feelings about the whole HM/RF shenanigans either way but i'm baffled that, for someone who keeps talking about truth and accountability - and is happy to mention his brother's penis & baldness in his book - he's skimping on facts.

That's the MO of Hasbeen and Migrain they alway elude.

The Royals say " Never complain and never explain"

The Sussexes say "Always elude but never explain"

There great at planting seeds of doubt but never proofing anything perfect liar trait's.

I’m wondering why we are giving this bunch of twats a massive sovereign grant when they spend so much time intriguing against each other, like a poor quality daytime soap opera!

It's the same trick he played in the Oprah interview - made an allegation but didn't name the villain. That way the entire RF is suspected.

Yes, a soap opera's about right. I thought the point of his book & these interviews was him being completely honest and open, but it's more of a drip, drip, drip of vague hints and complete lack of substance.
Either be a big boy, name names and get it over and done with or put a sock in it, Harry!

That's true Sammy - and if i understood him right tonight, he's now saying the RF AREN'T racist, but that was all media spin (again)?

I wish they'd stop alluding to things and just spit it out, unless they're using the information as a bargaining chip of some sort, which seems more likely.

I'm cringing for them now to be honest. It's one thing to air your grievances and speak up - and I don't blame them for that - but it's another thing to obviously want to use this to get what you want.

They should just say that they're selling salacious family gossip to make money instead of pretending that it's all about fairness and justice.

Camilla's aide leaked stories about William to pave the way for Queen Consort
William's office leaked stories about Meg to distract/divert from own negative press

is what I took from it?

I’m wondering why we are giving this bunch of twats a massive sovereign grant when they spend so much time intriguing against each other, like a poor quality daytime soap opera!
Yes to it ^

And of course Harry couldn’t name who planted stories specifically but he could be less vague. He had a feel of conspiracy theorist imo.

It is "his truth" - not necessarily "the truth " - over time I suspect this will all blow over.

It was a load of watery old rubbish. He seems to think we are all oblivious to the lengths the press will go to to sell a paper. He couldnt make his mind up about whether it was chicken or egg (RF or press) who. He's like that drunk you get in pubs sometimes that tries to spook you into thinking theres sinister stuff going on around you all the time but wont ever actually say what the hell it is - like some shapeshifting ominous phenomenon that no-one can grasp - oh but it's there- its there!!
I don't even remember any hideous, evil stories about Meghan in the press- what is H talking about?
And why does he keep saying he fled england to save his life in that dramatic way?
It's a load of old guff.

He seems paranoid. I suspect that any dealings with the press were about covering up things.on Harry's behalf.

Camilla was very good friends with Stuart Higgins (Sun editor) in the 80s - they reportedly spoke several times a week. Well known and widely reported at the time that she leaked to him. It wasn’t just her hapless press officer.

Harry has also talked for years about leaving the UK - when he was dating Chelsy Davy he said he was going to move to Africa, remember?

I’m not sure much in this book is actually a revelation (ok, the frostbite was new). People seem to have totally forgotten the details of the Charles and Diana breakup, and Harry’s pre-Meghan interviews, and think Harry is making all of this stuff up at Meghan’s behest. Bizarre.

He thinks he is being clever by trying to split hairs over the meaning of racism and unconscious bias. Well of course they can be.different but there is no doubt that Oprah's gasp of horror and Meghan's mouth like a scrunchy signified a response to a racist remark.
If it was not a allegation being levelled at the RF racist, then why didn't he come forward and say he'd been misunderstood? Was he enjoying the Royals getting in a sweat about it? Or was it because if he hadn't stood up to racism in the RF, he and his missus wouldn't have received an award for their work against racism
I am getting annoyed. I shall go and think of Meghan singing to the sea lions

He said he had to leave England as his life was at risk. From who or what? He said he feared for his life. Bazaar as now he has painted bullseye on his, Meghan's and his kids backs he really should fear for his life. In UK he has 24/7 security paid for by tax payer.

It really is shocking. Piers Morgan, Jeremy Clarkson, The Sun, Daily Mail, Camilla, Rebecca Brooks, David Cameron, Boris etc have all been friends for decades.
Rebecca is known to do what ever it takes to sell more papers/clicks. She's the Chief Executive of News UK ie The Times, Times on Sunday, Sun at least and with wide influence on others. These people don't sell news, they deal in articles that generate engagement and readership ie money. Until they had this recent arrangement to vilify Princess Meghan they'd in the past hacked phones or royals to get scoops but not they dine, party and holiday with them and no longer write damaging/ridiculing articles about them.

It's shocking that the UK public are so easily manipulated.

Harry on the other hand is too honourable and hopefully not naive. He's trying to right aspects of an institution that so many have done and will do anything to be part of and to uphold irrespective of their ills and crimes. It will take a long time but in the end he will prevail but not soon I'm afraid. Anyone who wants to progress in the media must align with the agenda set by the media influencers at the top.

He should know that Charles, Camilla, Kate and William are not about to change the status quo.

Kate doesn't have any marketable skill, talent or experience. So much so Willy had the confidence to spend so much time alone with her best friend. Even his media friends claimed "Palace sources" said the Queen complained about the amount of times he uses the chopper especially during lockdown when all meetings were via Zoom. Even when newspapers glow about how wonderfully she dresses, walks or plays the piano no one is interested.

Camilla has waited too long for this and same as Charles. He didn't have the integrity to abdicate like his grand uncle. Instead he deceived and used a 19yr old to get a heir and spare, plus buy time to change the rules so he can marry his divorce and is having his cake an eating it in daylight.
The media are also getting the job done polishing and celebrating Queen Camilla while castigating Diana right before our eyes and the public is swimming with the tide.

And Justine thinks it's the anti Meghan posters who are the crazies... 🤪

I think he's referring to the staff of the offices (ie William and Kate's staff or Charles and Camilla's).

Hang on M&H have said things which are not true or at least unsubstantiated for money . Not saying Harry does not believe this to be his truth - but come on Harry - I do think him taunting the Taliban is a very very silly thing to do - not just for his family but for the military in general and he has been criticised for it.

Frankly if I were anything to do with the Invictus Games ( which I do to be fair to him is the best thing he has done ) I would be asking him to stay away in September.

Harry on the other hand is too honourable and hopefully not naive.

Needed a laugh today, thanks 😂😂😂

I agree with this.

Given their proven loose relationship with the truth, I'm having a hard job believing anything from either of them which isn't independently corroborated. Let's not forget, Meghan had to apologise to the courts for her rather large "memory slip" - in anyone else that would have been called perjury....

What I find strange is that Harry can produce specific, intimate and very detailed account of many of his complaints - including events which are very private and expose other members of the family, without getting their consent to do so. But rather bizarrely, he can't seem to produce precise, detailed or specific accusations for exactly what Camilla and co are supposed to have leaked? Given that he's proven to be very willing to go into detail, it's very strange that there's a total lack of detail about exactly WHAT was leaked and when.....

I think he believes his own story (probably). But I still question how much truth there is in it, or how he's manipulating events to suit his narrative.

I wasn't a Camilla fan at all, but I don't think the woman was on a power-grab or had a desperate hunger to be queen. I think she just wanted to be with Charles, the man she loved and should have been married to from the start. Charles and Diana's marriage was a shitshow, with both of them having affairs. This labelling of Camilla as some kind of evil stepmum with a plan to seize power is just mental. And I'd also suggest more than slightly misogynistic.

He’s still manipulating everything to suit himself.
Mr Bradby noted that many would feel that having exposed so many family secrets, intimate moments and conversations in his book, he had burnt his bridges and destroyed any chance of winning his family back.

The Duke replied: “Well they’ve shown absolutely no willingness to reconcile up until this point. And I’m not sure how honesty is burning bridges.

“You know, silence only allows the abuser to abuse. Right? So I don’t know how staying silent is ever gonna make things better. That’s genuinely what I believe.”
That last paragraph- doesn’t he realise that he’s the abuser Ffs!

Deluded and paranoid.
He really is a very nasty individual, and I can’t imagine anyone in the family ever trusting him again. As for his wanting ‘confidential meetings’? That would be funny if it wasn’t so ridiculous- he’s prepared to divulge the most intimate facts about his family.

It's the same trick he played in the Oprah interview - made an allegation but didn't name the villain. That way the entire RF is suspected.

I thought it's indirect blackmail? Harry is hinting at this publicly hoping to use it as a bargaining chip during his negotiations with the RF. It's to induce fear and uncertainty to get the Rf to meet more of his demands.

If he actually tells all - On X date Y said Z - he'll very quickly run of material. This shit needs to last for the rest of his life, remember.

@Delectable is actually correct about what he is referring to re leaks to advantage certain people on the RF. it’s clear he didn’t mean one person/set of people were continuously using the press to achieve what they exclusively want, but that it’s the palace who feeds the press the stories.
its evidently true that the press is now digging away at Diana and that the tide is turning- there was a thread on MN yesterday about H and his mother’s intelligence..
No way that would have happened before H met Meghan etc.
It is also clear, it seems to me, that he means W and K when he’s referring to himself and M stories as he as much as says that.

I agree with all of this.