Andrew was on the church walkabout this morning

[meh2022]

I was surprised (and not in a good way) to see Andrew join the rest of the royal family at the Christmas service at Sandringham church this morning. He even shook hands with at least one member of the crowd. Surely he should be kept away from the public if the royal family have any desire whatsoever to keep the monarchy going? What is Charles thinking in allowing him to join them?!

@antelopevalley

Maybe so but the point still stands that in the eyes of the law, you are innocent until proven guilty and you can't stop someone from attending church.

If I was referring to a news report about Prince Charles supporting Andrew I have no doubt you would be encouraging me to believe it

Then I'm afraid you'd be mistaken, Prescottdanni123; even with articles which support my own POV I always say "reportedly", simply because I wouldn't trust any of the media as far as I could throw them

Sadly, with what journalistic standards have become, it seems the only safe approach

if you think its a disgrace Andrew having sex with a 17 year old (which you should be, as most people are) I hope you are as easily disgusted with Charles who was 28 when he was chasing a 16 year old Diana, which is equally predatory/groomy imo. Or you letting that one slide.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

It is not just that one article that makes me think Andrew will be leaving Buckingham Palace. People have been predicting that Charles would give Andrew the boot for years, with plenty of evidence recently to back that up

He's obviously a bad apple but how the rest of the family react to it is important, especially in such a public family. Support in private is one thing. Support in public something else entirely.

If I had a son and they were a rapist I would rightly get condemned by all sorts of people for standing by them. Some sensitivity is required.

Innocent until proven guilty means someone can not be sent to prison without being proven guilty in a court of law.
No one wants to stop Andrew attending church. No one cares that he attended church in the morning. People are unhappy about the public walk and shaking hands with the public.

We are talking about raping a sex trafficked teenager.

People have been predicting that Charles would give Andrew the boot for years with plenty of evidence recently to back that up*

This is true, Prescottdanni123, though I'm not sure what actual evidence there is to back it up. However they've also been predicting that Camilla won't be crowned queen, that Charles will actively slim down the monarchy and god knows what else - and mostly on the basis of what's been read in some rag

Basically I'll believe it when it happens and not until

@antelopevalley Were the people who chose to shake his hand trafficked to do so? Not all people are perfect and understand people make mistakes. At church you can ask about casting the first stone because we are all fallible.

Precisely. I can guarantee that any church leader worth his or her salt would be having a word with such people.

A vital part of modern day religion is and should be safe guarding.

Only in a court of law. Those of us who consider him guilty are perfectly within their rights to do that. Nothing to stop us.

@knittingaddict Actually saying someone is guilty of something they haven't been found guilty of is called libel or slander.

Then Andrew can sue me if he wishes. He is guilty as hell.

I'll await the RF trying to take me to court for that. Not going to happen, is it? They won't want open that particular can of worms again.

And it depends on the person having a good reputation to lose.

@purpledalmation
I'm confused, he insists he didn't meet her let alone have relations with her. Are you saying he did? Are you accusing him of lying?

Exactly. Your words I said she was one of many throwing themselves at a then, handsome prince. I am only repeating exactly what you said.

The photo shows a young woman enjoying her moment of fame, not a dishevelled rape victim.

FFS do you know anything about coercion, manipulation, and trafficking? Obviously not.
Victims aren't all chained to manacles in the basement you know.
There is lots you could educate yourself with.

Why don't you say it..she looked happy (translated as she just wanted to)? Just like the DV wife whose husband pushed her down the stairs the day before but smiles for a family photograph because she has to. Sometimes there is pain you know, behind the smiling face. But you wouldn't understand that presumably. Such ignorance.

I apologise puzzled I quoted the wrong post. It wasn't meant for you

@Roussette You sound quite obsessed. I wonder how much projection is going on here ?

Nothing to apologise for, Roussette - I totally realised it was an honest mistake

Rape victims rarely look dishevelled. Do you think the teenage girls in Rotherham looked dishevelled?

They did actually, Antelope, they were scruffy, often smelling badly. A woman who ran a centre to help those girls said so.

The young women working for Epstein had to be more wholesome in appearance and manner.

if he didn’t do it then he still did plenty

supporting and championing a convicted child rapist, inviting him to royal functions, attending his parties, with plenty of teen girls on ‘show’
perhaps we just have different moral thresholds and you think that behaviour is fine and dandy.

I personally don’t think our royal family should be supporting convicted child sex offenders