King Charles to pay for Duke of York’s private security

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Monarch expected to foot £3m bill for guards.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2022.12.19-193449/www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/19/king-charles-pay-duke-yorks-private-security-refusing-do-prince/#selection-1193.1-1193.56" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">King Charles to pay for Duke of York’s private security

Fascinating. What do we think?

What Harry said about the senior Royals having a role in financially supporting the other Royals makes absolute sense. That is about keeping control over the other family members by controlling the purse strings. I think the ex Royals don’t have much in the way of skills for the working world and most employers would run a mile from them anyway because you’d get nothing done with the level of press intrusion.

H+M idea of using TV/Netflix to make their money is probably as good as it gets because of their status they are likely to get access to pretty interesting people along the way and if their next thing works out for them that will just build and build.

I didn't say friends of convicted dex offenders are guilty 🙄

I question your judgement if you are friends with a convicted sex offenders/child rapist.

I wouldn't trust you, that's for certain.

Penny Mordaunt's brother? Yeah, he's a piece of shit as well. Wouldn't be friends with him either.

This. Thought I was missing something, what Harry wanted was something different so I feel this is a non story. H&M wanted police protection rather than private was my understanding.

Yeah, if someone let slip that they hug around with convicted sex offenders I would distance myself in a big way. Decent people with good judgement don't have sex offenders as their mates. And they definitely don't attend parties held by those 'mates', have sex with the extremely young women who just happen to be there, and then claim that they couldn't possibly have known that anything was dodgy about the situation.

And they can be armed.

That's what I was about to say - my understanding is that Harry wanted Met security because they would have better intel, and because they would be armed unlike private bodyguards. Given the documented threats to Harry's family I think that's fair enough tbh.

If you believe what's written about Andrew's security (big if), the private security will only have tasers, no guns.

Harry has no chance of winning (regaining Met protection) and I'm sure he knows that too. I feel that he wanted his attempt on record, no he refused security type narrative if God forbid, anything bad happened.

It would be idiotic and thoughtless to pay for Andrew's security. William is not going to want to pay for Harry's security in later years, is he?

On a slide note, there are an awful lot of anti monarchy threads being created day in day out on MN at the moment. It reminds me of Brexit, another attack on the stability of this country. The royal family are highly respected abroad while the government is a laughing stock. Attack the RF and its institution and you further destabilise this country.

This only benefits certain groups and individuals here and abroad. It's stupid.

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That's what I was about to say - my understanding is that Harry wanted Met security because they would have better intel, and because they would be armed unlike private bodyguards

I am afraid there were always going to be sacrifices for leaving his royal duties and the country and not having met police protection is most definitely one of them. Harry choose to have his new "private" life away from the media circus and choose LA as his base. If we were to offer tax payer funded security to have every celeb that was being targeted/followed/threatened etc as a country we would be financially dead in the water.

Harry is a normal person now, it was his own choice, he no longer lives in the UK. Not every decision he makes will work perfectly in his favour. He can afford security in the states, and he should stay there.

Well firstly , there’s absolutely no confirmation that this is true . Secondly , Harry didn’t want private security , he wanted Met security wherever he was in the world .

I thought non-working royals didn't get security?
And other senior members only get security when on official business.

I am not sure there is much love loss between the King and his brother, so I am taking this (mis) information with a pinch of salt.

That is so astonishing that he was so entitled to imagine we would pay for this?! Multi millions per year! Whilst he spend his time raking in millions of dollars attacking our country and royal family. It beggars belief.

Sorry but no Harry, you can leave and make your millions by slating everyone here, but you don't get to use our hard earned money to live your 'best life' with our skilled and public police officers!!!

I'm not talking about Epstein, I'm talking about Prince Andrew.

The point is that this is about whether Prince Andrew's family should pay for his protection. He hasn't actually been convicted of anything and he hasn't been proven to have done anything.

His brother is paying for his security out of his own personal funds. Nothing wrong with that.

Surely this will come out of Charles’ pocket and not the tax-payers…?

I'd be amazed if it did, and that's if the whole thing's even true

Speaks volumes about the Royals. I'm amazed the public tolerates them.

Get your facts straight. Harry is in court fighting for the right to pay for his own security, he doesn't want your money. If he loses (which he will) then at least he can say he tried.

He doesn't need to be direct recipient of any intelligence to benefit from it. It will be what is assessed by RAVEC in deciding if any particular visit and its itinerary required close protection. If it does, then Met will do it. If it doesn't, then there is no need for Harry's team to see it. RAVEC assess intelligence and make threat assessments for all VVIPs and others against whom there is a current threat (Salman Rushdie being the example people have heard of).

Harry's JR is looking at whether RAVEC is a competent body acting reasonably and to good standards in that sort of decision making.

Threat assessments (not raw intel) are routinely shared with targets (and/or their security providers) eg Beckhams at the time of child kidnap threat, even if refers to threats which do not warrant official close protection.

Where have you been? Andrew hasn't been a working royal since 2019 yet he had FREE MET SECURITY till it was pulled last month. THREE YEARS free yet Harry's being slated for wanting to pay for his when he visits the UK.

he had Met security as he was , understandably, considered at risk . That’s the way it works . Obviously he is no longer considered at risk .

LOOOL, Sure 😂

Nothing to do with the fact that RAVEC would have had to explain to the courts why a non working royal had round the clock security but another had to be decided on a case-by-case basis.

Give over.

That is not correct.

The JR does not cover that - there is no challenge to the Met deciding that policing is not for hire. (NB: that is not the same as those holding events defraying some of the cost of crowd control policing, though in those cases too it is the police who decide what presence is required).

If Harry needs protection in UK - and the current position is that every trip will be assessed and security provided in light of assessment - then he gets it. He doesn't need to pay for it (though if he wanted to, I'm sure he could). What he can't do is pay to skip the threat assessment and have blanket security.

The JR is looking at RAVEC (the key decision making committee) and deciding if it is competent - appropriate membership, appropriate information flow and working practices etc. What it is not doing is remaking an individual RAVEC decision.

If RAVEC is found unfit, then it will need to be fixed, and every decision done again under the new and suitable system. That does not mean any particular decision will be changed though, that will depend on individual circumstances and what the successor body assesses

If Harry is in the UK on Royal family business, ie: the Queens funeral, the Kings coronation, he will come under the umbrella of the Royal protection squad. If he's here filming a netflix jolly then quite rightly, he has to have his own private security.

I'm a bit dubious about the reports of Charles paying for private security for Andrew, but I suppose if Charles is paying from his own private wealth its up to him

Surely it is up to Charles who he finds. Andrew has not made repeated attacks on RF. H&M clearly stated they wanted financial independence. That's what they now have. Harry gets some protection provided when in UK. However he is not working royal so should be paying for his own security if he chooses to have it.

Then whý did you list all the dodgy friends you have?

I'm.talking about PA aswell, he was friends with someone who was a convicted sex offender.

All I asked is if you have any sex offenders in your dodgy friendship group