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Harry and Camilla and Charles and Andrew: Some Questions

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 15/10/2022 01:02

I am reading that Charles will not invite Harry to the coronation if he criticises Camilla in his upcoming memoir.

There is also commentary that Harry's memoir will be damaging to the Royal Family. Most of the commentary is around fear of what he will say about Camilla.

I am struggling to understand what Harry could say that is more damaging about Charles and Camilla than we already know. The admitted adultery, the divorce, the whole ghastly Tampongate leaks happened, and they are now King and Queen.

Andrew paid out millions to put out fire on a sex scandal involving a minor and Epstein.

And recently, a biography of Camilla by Angela Levin has, I am informed, a whole chapter that seems gratuitous as it is extremely critical of Harry. Angela Levin has suggested that friends of Camilla cooperated with her on the book with her knowledge.

So why is Harry allowed to be criticised in a book about Camilla that appears to have her blessing, but he is not allowed to be critical of Camilla in his own book?

Step parenting relationships are inherently fraught, as we see here all the time. it can't have been easy for a 12-year-old boy who lost his mother to grow up learning that his father was involved to another woman. He will have heard about his mother's own affairs but it is hard to judge someone who died, and was his mother.

Of course, he may have overcome his resentment of his stepmother by now, but why is he not allowed to talk about what he was feeling then, and perhaps his struggle to accept the situation?

And why is what Harry may say about Camilla a bigger thing, and more damaging, than what Andrew did?

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EdithWeston · 04/11/2022 14:43

She said Camilla had continued to see Charles right from the beginning of their marriage

Omitting the other mistress, and (presumably inadvertently) feeding the myth that C&C were life-long (star-crossed) lovers

It was Charles who said he was not physically unfaithful until the marriage has irrevocably broken down - which I took as code for "until she finally gave up and started seeing other people". Doesn't mean he wasn't having at least two inappropriate emotional affairs. Unless he meant that he only shagged the other mistress in the early days of the marriage

antelopevalley · 04/11/2022 14:52

Charles would lie and say that. No one can say if they had sex except them, but he was certainly seeing Camilla. Yes I have heard the rumours about other mistresses too.

MarshaMelrose · 04/11/2022 17:57

Omitting the other mistress, and (presumably inadvertently) feeding the myth that C&C were life-long (star-crossed) lovers

What other mistress? 🤔

MarshaMelrose · 04/11/2022 17:58

Omitting the other mistress, and (presumably inadvertently) feeding the myth that C&C were life-long (star-crossed) lovers

What other mistress? 🤔

TheOtherWoman2 · 04/11/2022 18:03

difference is camillas is a 'biography', as in she didn't write it herself

MarshaMelrose · 04/11/2022 18:04

(Camilla) got her happy ending BECAUSE OF the events that traumatised Harry as a child and young man.

I don't agree. I think they'd have got married even if Diana hadn't died, but even if they'd decided not to, I don't think Camilla cared a fig about being Queen, either on a throne or in people's hearts. She just loves Charles and wants to he with him.

I'm sure I remember both William and Harry speaking warmly about her. She was not responsible for their mother's death.

MarshaMelrose · 04/11/2022 18:05

antelopevalley · 04/11/2022 14:52

Charles would lie and say that. No one can say if they had sex except them, but he was certainly seeing Camilla. Yes I have heard the rumours about other mistresses too.

What are the names?

EdithWeston · 04/11/2022 20:21

What are the names?

The main, and most openly acknowledged, mistress was Kanga, Lady Tryon (now deceased)

Others more speculative, so won't post.

FitAt50 · 04/11/2022 21:41

milveycrohn · 04/11/2022 14:11

According to Lady C, no one mentioned Archie's skin colour (or possible skin colour depending on when the conversation tok place). Lady C maintained that a senior royal suspected that Meghan would not stay and thought this could be a problem if they had children. This was taken to be racist, whereas the senior royal was meaning a logistical problem, not suspecting that Harry would leave as well.
However, Lady C is far removed from Royal circles and who knows where she got her info from. Harry could have been meaning an entirely separate conversation.
In fact Harry and Meghan related different accounts; Harry said one conversation before they married, and Meghan said several conversation while she was pregnant, but not to her; but to Harry.
Charles and Diana were ill-suited to start with, and Diana herself said thay had only met about 12 times before the wedding. Clearly, she could not have loved Charles, anymore than he loved her. Presumably she was in love with the prince, rather then the man. There was a lot of pressure on Charles to marry, although that does not excuse him.
Diana herself said she was unfaithful first.
Both Charles and Diana were 'needy' people, and needed support, which neither received, in Diana's case, her parents had split up, and her mother lost custody. I am not sure in what way the RF failed Diana, as it appeared that P.Philip was very supportive towards Diana, though he would not have approved of her interview or the Andrew Motion book.

Lady C? Is that Lady Colin Campbell. She's trash and is not a proper lady. The duke was only married to her for 9 months then ran away when he discovered she was raised as male until she was 21.

MarshaMelrose · 05/11/2022 00:37

EdithWeston · 04/11/2022 20:21

What are the names?

The main, and most openly acknowledged, mistress was Kanga, Lady Tryon (now deceased)

Others more speculative, so won't post.

Charles dated Kanga Tryon but finished with her long before he married Diana, though, because she was a gossip, sold stories about him and informed the press where they would be. Diana befriended her because she thought Kanga would be a good ally against Camilla. Diana even wore Kanga designed dresses to publicise her shop.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 07/11/2022 10:24

FitAt50 · 04/11/2022 21:41

Lady C? Is that Lady Colin Campbell. She's trash and is not a proper lady. The duke was only married to her for 9 months then ran away when he discovered she was raised as male until she was 21.

That's a whole new level of not knowing what a woman is.

EdithWeston · 07/11/2022 10:47

I don't think the relationship with Lady Tryon was over before the marriage - there are pix that show closeness, and (although not much covered at the time) a 'war of the mistresses' in terms of which were invited where, and whether Diana was present and interacting with them in public

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