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Who advised the Queen to walk into the Abbey escorted by Andrew??

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TinyTortoise · 29/03/2022 13:07

This seems to be the most tone deaf and damaging decision. It's a public facing event with international leaders and royals. If it was a closed family gathering I could understand it - he is her son still- but why on earth would they allow him to escort her to her seat?! He should be invisible from now on and never represent the RF again. He could have attended and stood somewhere out of the way. She could have chosen anyone to escort her. It's staggeringly awful!

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lovescats3 · 29/03/2022 14:16

He could have attended entered alone through side door.but no royal family which has become an anachronism have him walking in with the queen following a tone deaf tour of the Carribbean.. amongst young people the monarchy's days are numbered.btw paying millions to someone to keep them quiet as you do

Drivingish · 29/03/2022 14:16

I don't personally like seeing Andrew anywhere but I think it was a clever, but very risky, decision, not the bizarre nonsensical 'demented pensioner' decision some posters are making out. Either Andrew has to hide away forevermore (yes please but not realistically going to happen) or he has to be established as not a working royal but still part of the family as soon as possible, as the longer it's left the weirder it will be to see him. Having him attend to support the Queen is exactly that, showing he's part of the family but has no official role at all. If he'd come in with all the other working royals it would have looked awful.

Femalewoman · 29/03/2022 14:16

@AndAsIfByMagic

I think some of the frothers on this thread need to realise that not everyone believes PA was guilty.

If he had sex with that woman she was of age so to call him a paedo is just ignorant stupidity.

He's a creep and a lech, I believe. But I don't believe everything that has been said about him. I can't stand him but the "holier than thou ranting of some mumsnetters is nauseating.

Not your business. There are far more important things going on.

This too.
Swayingpalmtrees · 29/03/2022 14:17

Charles and Camilla could have walked her in, after all Charles is the heir and Andrew could and should have sat discreetly away. As a mark of respect to her and the rest of the family, that is the very least he should have done. Instead he is dragging them all through the mud again.

LadyShatterly · 29/03/2022 14:17

It was the only way to have him attend in the least official capacity for the shortest possible time. Less on camera than anyone else in his family. He will be at the Queen’s funeral, just to warn everyone outraged by a man (convicted of no crime at all) attending his father’s memorial and assisting his nonagenarian mother.

LondonWolf · 29/03/2022 14:17

@callingon

I’ve really gone off the Queen since she made a point of being seen with Andrew at Balmoral. She is probably the person in the world, except maybe Kim Kardashian, who best understands branding. So this is deliberate; so I can only assume she doesn’t care and doesn’t understand why the public cares, that her son is *possibly a sex offender.

The H and M debacle and this scandal has made a republican out of me, which I never thought would happen.

She probably won't be around much longer so you won't have to put up with her dodgy decisions that you don't approve of. I think she's given her whole life to The Monarchy and a woman in her nineties who has lost her life time companion and who is seeing her life's work disintegrate can have whoever she wants to escort her, especially when that person is the son of the person being remembered.
Thoosa · 29/03/2022 14:17

@DingleyDel

Maybe Harry refused to attend if he knew Andrew was going to have such a prominent role? HM has not one but TWO other sons who aren’t rapists who could have walked her in.
Yeah, sure that’s what happened. 🙄
Buttons294749 · 29/03/2022 14:18

Meh she's in terrible health and an almost centatian, if she needs him to help her for whatever reason so be it.

lovescats3 · 29/03/2022 14:18

There are more important things going on yes like food banks, cost of living crisis etc so start giving the needy the money given to the royal family

Febrier · 29/03/2022 14:19

It was the only way to have him attend in the least official capacity for the shortest possible time.

Do you really believe that?

Hertsgirl10 · 29/03/2022 14:19

@EndaDay

He is her son.

I imagine most of us would stand by our sons. The mothers of murderers stand by them.

Would any of us discard our son if he was found guilty of murder?

Maybe some would but I wouldn't.

@EndaDay

Depends on the circumstances of the murder but if they became involved in child sex trafficking and raping children I would draw the line and cut contact and there wouldn’t be anting they could do to make things not that way.

I suppose we’re all different though.

Comedycook · 29/03/2022 14:20

I've always respected the Queen and thought she's been an excellent monarch...and I know she's incredibly elderly and frail now, but I massively judge her for this. I find it quite sickening to be honest. I'm also tired of hearing endless criticism from the media and the public towards Harry and Meghan. I don't blame them for escaping.

Swayingpalmtrees · 29/03/2022 14:20

I have no problem with PA attending his father's memorial, he should not have been walking in with the Queen to do so, that was PC's role as future king, and he should have quietly taken a seat without any fuss.

I can't think why they keep making such public mistakes such as this.

JinglingHellsBells · 29/03/2022 14:21

It did seem a little odd given the anti-A feelings that are in the UK.
And this was a very public service with an international congregation.

I assumed he was the 'lone male' who could escort her . If it had been Charles, Camilla would have had no one to walk with her, although she could have been offered one of the clergy.

I think a better idea would have been that IF he HAD to assist her, he should have sat right at the back out of sight.

I dont think for a moment she has lost her marbles- she's a sharp as a tack when you hear her quips.

Maybe she thought 'F...you all, this is my service, it was his father, and I'll do it my way. Then A can disappear for good.'

WhiteXmas21 · 29/03/2022 14:21

@AndAsIfByMagic

I think some of the frothers on this thread need to realise that not everyone believes PA was guilty.

If he had sex with that woman she was of age so to call him a paedo is just ignorant stupidity.

He's a creep and a lech, I believe. But I don't believe everything that has been said about him. I can't stand him but the "holier than thou ranting of some mumsnetters is nauseating.

Not your business. There are far more important things going on.

It’s not the victims age that was key, it’s that she was trafficked. Groomed as an underage child.

I assumed he would be there, it is his father after all, but I think Her Majesty is not understanding how much damage her son has done to her image. Escorting his mother was not the least worst option. Sneaking in the back door was the least worst option.

AKASammyScrounge · 29/03/2022 14:21

The Queen and Phillip had four children. The Queen wanted all four around her for Phillip's memorial which is only right. If only the worthy were permitted to attend funerals there would be very few well attended funerals.
Andrew, as Phillip's son, has a right to be there and I imagine the Queen must feel his
disgraced isolation strongly. She wants him to know he's still a family member. I don't know how anyone can grudge such an elderly woman this wish.

wellerhugs5 · 29/03/2022 14:22

@Mumdiva99

After seeing her sitting alone at the funeral I couldn't care less who escorts her.....just so long as she is escorted and looked after. I thought the image of her at the funeral was one of the saddest things I've ever seen. (And yes I know it happened for other people too during Covid, and I feel the same empathy for them).
Agreed.
AndAsIfByMagic · 29/03/2022 14:22

You must be one of the only people in the world who think he is innocent of all wrong doing, but it is nice he has some fans left.

But I didn't say that, did I?

No need to lie.

Newnamefor2022 · 29/03/2022 14:22

She's an old lady in declining health, at the memorial to her husband. Let her be escorted by anyone she likes.

ArtVandalay · 29/03/2022 14:23

She paid out millions to silence his accuser. She effectively gives him her blessing by this public show of favour.

They’re even more out of touch than we thought. A republic can’t come soon enough.

lifelast · 29/03/2022 14:24

This was not just an old lady's private memorial for her husband

But it was an old woman's memorial for her husband. It was an old woman being supported by her son at her memorial for her husband. Its just that she is an unusual old woman whose whole bloody life is public facing, her private and her personal life on major occasions are public because WE as a country choose to have a Royal Family. But she's still an old woman grieving her husband of 60 years. Its our fault, not hers, that that is done in public.

herecomesthsun · 29/03/2022 14:24

Her husband, her son, his dad's memorial, who cares.

Hshuznw · 29/03/2022 14:24

@Swayingpalmtrees

He’s still her son. And whether we like it or not, he’s not been convicted of a crime

His mother paid many millions to ensure he was not convicted for his crimes, that does not make him innocent it just makes him very indulged and protected. We will now never know what he didn't or didn't do, but given the size of the payoff and his banishment we can safely assume he was not baking cookies with Jefferey Epstein.

No, that is not how the criminal justice system works…
LBFseBrom · 29/03/2022 14:24

Why not? He is the only one of her children without a partner, it was appropriate. His scandal is now over and was never as huge as the media made out. This was a memorial service for the late Duke of Edinburgh who was the Queen's husband and the father of her children.

I didn't give that a second thought, was just pleased to see the Queen walking and looking well for her age. It was also not a very long service, the homilies were quite appropriate, all of which was good.

It's about time we all moved on.

AmyDudley · 29/03/2022 14:24

Almost everything they do is tone deaf, they are totally out of touch with public opinion, I think the recent tour by W and K showed it is the beginning of the end for the monarchy - other countries are voicing their desire not to have this monarchy, and the way they behave it's only a matter of time before this country says enough is enough.
The Queen is 95 now, but she's always been oblivious to public opinion - she had to be told how to react when Diana died. None of them know how to read the room.

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