Who advised the Queen to walk into the Abbey escorted by Andrew??

[TinyTortoise]

This seems to be the most tone deaf and damaging decision. It's a public facing event with international leaders and royals. If it was a closed family gathering I could understand it - he is her son still- but why on earth would they allow him to escort her to her seat?! He should be invisible from now on and never represent the RF again. He could have attended and stood somewhere out of the way. She could have chosen anyone to escort her. It's staggeringly awful!

Agree the queen doesn't look fine by any stretch of the imagination. She looks extremely frail and struggles to walk. Yes that might be normal for most 95 year olds but certainly not fine.

After 70 years of public service I think she's earned the right to have Andrew support her yesterday if that was what she wanted.

I can imagine him pushing the Queen into it, telling her as they arrived that he wanted to help her and not hand her over to the Dean, as he was supposed to on entry to the abbey. Hard for her to have a disagreement about it in public.

OFGS - such ridiculous speculation!!!!

Do you seriously think there is scope for last minute changes at an event like this? It would have been planned well in advance to the nth degree.

Well, to be serious they didn't even confirm the Queen was going to be there until two hours before...

I have noticed a distinct change in tone about the Jubilee before Andrew's unwanted spotlight moment. It was all guns blazing - long bank holiday - party on every street campaign, to well, nothing. I haven't heard a single thing about it at all anywhere, and it is soon.

If he turns up at the Jubilee as well and ruins that weekend as well, really that may be the last celebration she is able to enjoy, and it will be over shadowed and ruined once again.

For her age the Queen is managing wonderfully, despite her limitations but she is only human and I am sure Andrew is constantly with her chipping away with his 'needs' and demands under the guise of keeping her company.Hopefully Charles will straighten him out when the time comes.

The way the papers put golden son, number one son is so sad, how must her other children feel having their noses rubbed in it all of the time.

For her age the Queen is managing wonderfully, despite her limitations

How do you know? Do you spend much time with her?

I have met her yes.

But not recently.

'Did you see her getting into the car at the end? She is not fine, far from it.'

Oh was she carried into it on a stretcher, or hoisted into it? I must've missed that. Tbh I don't stare at anyone over 80 getting into a car I doubt many do it with a nimble skip and a jump.

No wonder she was having second thoughts about going all the over analysing that goes on. Just imagine if she'd dropped her handbag or worse tripped in the way in! some of you would have been like .

@StrawberryPot

I can imagine him pushing the Queen into it, telling her as they arrived that he wanted to help her and not hand her over to the Dean, as he was supposed to on entry to the abbey. Hard for her to have a disagreement about it in public.

OFGS - such ridiculous speculation!!!!

Do you seriously think there is scope for last minute changes at an event like this? It would have been planned well in advance to the nth degree.

I remember when Meghan was looking miserable on the balcony at some event and MNetters said it was clearly because she could hear her baby in the stateroom behind the balcony and obviously desperately wanted to get to him. Really detailed little scenarios of how she must be feeling and what Harry probably said and what they and their DH would have done in similar situations and so on and on. It's quite cringy I think.

And yet again Meghan is brought into it.
The Mail also suggests a last-minute change of plan at Westminster Abbey, at PA’s insistence.

@DramaDrama

And yet again Meghan is brought into it. The Mail also suggests a last-minute change of plan at Westminster Abbey, at PA’s insistence.

No, another example of MN silliness related to a royal brought into it. Nothing negative about Meghan there, stop making up nonsense to suit your own biases.

He’s her favourite. I don’t suppose anyone advised it, probably quite the opposite.

I have met her yes.

And that qualifies you to state emphatically that she is managing wonderfully? 😂

@StrawberryPot

For her age the Queen is managing wonderfully, despite her limitations

How do you know? Do you spend much time with her?

I had tea with her last week. She's doing marvellously well and has asked me to pass on her thanks to those on MN who have sent such kind thoughts her way. To the others, she blows a raspberry.

I hope, Strawberry, that that puts your mind at rest.🙂

@StrawberryPot

I can imagine him pushing the Queen into it, telling her as they arrived that he wanted to help her and not hand her over to the Dean, as he was supposed to on entry to the abbey. Hard for her to have a disagreement about it in public.

OFGS - such ridiculous speculation!!!!

Do you seriously think there is scope for last minute changes at an event like this? It would have been planned well in advance to the nth degree.

Tell it to the Mail Online and their lawyers who approved the story after a rather spectacular leak from within royal circles

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10667197/How-Prince-Andrew-strong-armed-Queen-steal-centre-stage-Prince-Philips-memorial.html

@moonbedazzled - of course

@SpinningTheSeedsOfLove - I tend not to believe anything the Daily Mail prints. And of course won't be clicking the link.

@StrawberryPot

I have met her yes.

And that qualifies you to state emphatically that she is managing wonderfully? 😂

We’ve all got eyes, we can see what she was like yesterday. She was managing very well for a 95 year old woman. I can only think that very few people on this thread have any first hand experience of nonegenarians because she’s doing far better than most I’ve encountered (both parents, grandmother and four aunts).

She is doing amazingly well for her age but the change in her since Philip died is very very noticeable. She is almost unrecognisable. She’s lost a LOT of weight, is very unsteady on her feet and her face looks very different. I do wonder if she has an illness which is being kept quiet.
What struck me is how sad and lost she looked yesterday. I’ve never seen her look that way before. Obviously the occasion was very sad for her, but the light has gone out of her.
I did wonder if Beatrice cried because of her father as much as anything else. The strain on the family must have been awful.

Agree there is no talk at all about the Jubilee.

I think the family recognise how much she’s aged since she was widowed @AnastasiaRomanov. I noticed that Princess Eugenie barely took her eyes off her and she looked very concerned. There’s no doubt that yesterday must have really taken its toll on her.

Do you seriously think there is scope for last minute changes at an event like this? It would have been planned well in advance to the nth degree

I think there's scope for a delusional loose cannon to break free at a point when no-one can do a thing about it other than cover as best they can.

He clearly believes he’s done nothing wrong and that is absolutely the most chilling thing about all of this.

The royal's PR is mind blowingly stupid of late. As someone said on SM.

K&W : "we will make the worst royal car ride of the year."

QE and PA :" hold our gin."

@notanotheroneagain

The royal's PR is mind blowingly stupid of late. As someone said on SM.

K&W : "we will make the worst royal car ride of the year."

QE and PA :" hold our gin."

Do you know what? The Prince Philip Memorial service showed a family in grief. You've got an empathy bypass.

That grieving family decided to give the finger to the country and to trafficked women everywhere.

Don't act like this was not pre-planned.

You do realise OP that maybe the queen believes him ,he is her son after all and he has not ever been formally charged or found guilty in court despite what we all may think
It was her choice and he was their on a personal level not official