Prince Harry not attending Philips memorial

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It has been confirmed that Prince Harry will not be attending P Philips memorial service. What are people’s thoughts about this? Is the whole security issue a smoke screen for the fact he can’t face his family?

I'm not being obtuse. I used an example of being praised for eating avocadoes versus being accused of fuelling abuse for eating one. I had no idea YeahThat was referring to number of years in RF, she didn't say that.

You were the poster focussing on that.

I’d love to know if those defending the British press for bullying Kate for 10 years and saying Meghan should just “put up with it” for 10 years herself

If you got a new job and your predecessor was bullied and publicly humiliated and people said “oh she just accepted it. For 10 years. You should too”. Absolute bollocks would anyone a self that.

Lurking I am here you know... there's no need to have a conversation about me

I think Meghan had it worse. We will have to disagree. There was no racism with Kate. Snobbery yes by the bucketload but not racism.

Pyri Totally agree.

Well done M&H for getting out and leave the likes of the gutter press without their clickbait.

Kate's criticism was spread out over 10+years, not concentrated at once. She was also left alone to have a peaceful pregnancy. There were breaks in between to let her breath. Meghan was full on dating, marriage, honeymoon, pregnancy, miscarriage etc. does not matter, a full one onslaught with racism on top of the misogyny, not the same at all.

@Pyri

I’d love to know if those defending the British press for bullying Kate for 10 years and saying Meghan should just “put up with it” for 10 years herself

If you got a new job and your predecessor was bullied and publicly humiliated and people said “oh she just accepted it. For 10 years. You should too”. Absolute bollocks would anyone a self that.

And yet, the royal family protected Kate once she married in. They stopped bad press leaking. Look at the media commentary surrounding Kates pregnancies and that of Meghans. Whilst she has had some negative press, which is to be expected given the family they have chosen to marry into she wasn't vilified daily.

@Roussette

Lurking I am here you know... there's no need to have a conversation about me

I think Meghan had it worse. We will have to disagree. There was no racism with Kate. Snobbery yes by the bucketload but not racism.

I have spoken to you directly as well. But it's impossible to compare coverage of the two when you will NOT acknowledge that the media coverage kate endured the decade before MM came on the scene does count . Not to Meghan clearly but it counts. It happened. it was Kate's experience. It shows a clear timeline for how long it takes for the press to back off a bit.

when you will NOT acknowledge that the media coverage kate endured the decade before MM came on the scene does count . Not to Meghan clearly but it counts. It happened. it was Kate's experience. It shows a clear timeline for how long it takes for the press to back off a bit.

@Lurking9to5 but why is it acceptable that Kate endured it for so long and an argument that Meghan just should accept it because Kate did too? Don’t you think it’s a good thing Meghan has stood up to the bullies?

Would you tell your child to just endure bullying because others have as well?

Do you deny there are racial elements to Meghan’s treatment?

Please show where I said it does not count. I haven't.

I think it's beyond awful that either of them have had this relentless vilifying by the press.
I honestly don't believe for one minute the press would have backed off with the same timescale on Meghan.
I think there's been an element of a shock horror bi-racial, divorced, and an actress and American to boot woman stealing Harry and it would have been relentless and not ceasing.

@rousette if you understand that it counts then why are you arguing for Gold at the Olympics that Meghan had it worse???

@pyri I did say that the real problem is the press, that they report on nothing. A woman new to the royal family shouldn't be scrutinised and left a nervous wreck because the press put her under an electron microscope and comment on everything from her eyebrows to her shoes to her relatives.

I don't think Kate could really ''stand up to bullies''. But Kate always went in to it with the attitude of so long as she knew she was working hard and doing her best the media coverage had to be something that she would tune out. Fair play to her for being so resilient. I probably would have reacted more like meghan and the media coverage would have upset me.

@pyri wrt racial elements to headlines about Meghan, I do not recall seeing racist headlines. I believe that there were racist remarks on twitter/reddit et cetera though but I wouldn't venture on to twitter, not brave enough.

Lurking Because I think it was worse.

It was racist in parts, insidious and creeping. Bots and Trolls jumped onto it magnifying it. Not helped by MM's family.... there's a reason why Samantha Markle has been suspended from Twitter today. Also I think the RF could've done more. They didn't. Yet KP put out a statement saying Kate hasn't had hair extensions!
H&M were on their own with this.
They left.
Good on them

The point isn't that over-personal criticism is ok, it's to show that comparing coverage of Meghan and Kate at the same time is wrong. Kate has also been doing the job for a lot longer so is better at it by now and has learned what to say and what not to say. I thought Meghan was pretty insensitive to dismiss decades of misogyny, classism, and personal violation as just being "rude" frankly.

(and Kate WAS unfairly criticised during pregnancy for HG and being "too thin"... after her 3rd pregnancy, H&M themselves made a thinly veiled swipe at her for having gotten pregnant for a 3rd time at all)

[quote Lurking9to5]@pyri wrt racial elements to headlines about Meghan, I do not recall seeing racist headlines. I believe that there were racist remarks on twitter/reddit et cetera though but I wouldn't venture on to twitter, not brave enough.[/quote]
No racist headlines? Not even one?

I have an example for you

Harry's girl is (almost) straight outta Compton: Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?

@Roussette

Lurking Because I think it was worse.

It was racist in parts, insidious and creeping. Bots and Trolls jumped onto it magnifying it. Not helped by MM's family.... there's a reason why Samantha Markle has been suspended from Twitter today. Also I think the RF could've done more. They didn't. Yet KP put out a statement saying Kate hasn't had hair extensions!
H&M were on their own with this.
They left.
Good on them

I thought Harry insisted on his KP press staff putting out a very unorthodox statement about MM when she was his girlfriend? That part has always confused me. What is it about the power structure or decision making process that meant sometimes Harry could overrule his staff and at other times he apparently couldn’t?

Same as accessing mental health support. How come Margaret, Diana, Charles, Harry and maybe more royals were able to access therapy, psychiatrists & counselling privately and without from the 70s through 40+ years without issues but MM couldn’t?

I feel like something there was left unexplained.

There were racist undertones in some headlines. No doubt on Reddit and Twitter the usual mad morons had things to say. I don’t follow either.
However in general there was a huge amount of goodwill and support initially. The RF bent over backwards to help and support her.
She threw it all back in everyone’s faces. ‘I didn’t want that big wedding, and anyway we were already married.’
She clearly hates the UK now and I wouldn’t say she seemed very interested in understanding this country or how the monarchy works.
The result of the marriage is a lot of damage to a lot of people. They have got what they want. A new life, a huge house, no real work or responsibilities. It’s come at a cost to their wider family and personal relationships though.

Now that's upwardly mobile! How in 150 years, Meghan Markle's family went from cotton slaves to royalty via freedom in the U.S. Civil War ... while her dad's ancestors included a maid at Windsor Castle" was the Mail spread in 2017. It was accompanied by a flowchart about her mother, titled: “MUM’S SIDE: DIRT POOR IN DEEP SOUTH.”

The Spectator was not far behind. In one piece, the conservative publication drew the public’s and J K Rowling’s ire for saying: “seventy years ago, Meghan Markle would have been the kind of woman the Prince would have had for a mistress, not a wife.”

The Sun ran with “Harry Girl’s on Pornhub” after a clip of her from the television show "Suits" appeared on the adult website. The tabloid later issued an apology. (This you might say it has no racist undertones but I doubt there are any accusations of Kate being a porn star,ever)

Journalist Rachel Johnson wrote for The Mail on Sunday that Markle could help bring "rich and exotic DNA" to the royal family. Rachel, the sister of British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, goes on to describe Markle’s mother as “a dreadlocked African-American lady from the wrong side of the tracks."

Not to mention the proper vile ,racist and disgusting comments said by "others" that featured as headlines and repeated over and over again in the course of the articles and as captions for pics of Meghan and Harry. I mean if they really considered them so awful , would they have repeated them over and over again?

Harry to marry into gangster royalty? New love ‘from crime-ridden neighbourhood’
PRINCE Harry could marry into gangster royalty – his new love is from a crimeridden Los Angeles neighbourhood.

@notanotheroneagain

Kate's criticism was spread out over 10+years, not concentrated at once. She was also left alone to have a peaceful pregnancy. There were breaks in between to let her breath. Meghan was full on dating, marriage, honeymoon, pregnancy, miscarriage etc. does not matter, a full one onslaught with racism on top of the misogyny, not the same at all.

A lot of those factors you mention were choices of M and H ie relocating, marrying and having a child. I completely understand that this was down to their age - wanting to start a family quickly due to M’s age. However, M leapt into public life. I think they themselves said they wanted to hit the ground running. She should have eased in gradually. Even at the time, I thought doing the tour to Australia was a bit much for M at that stage. It must have been exhausting. All of those stresses may have left them frazzled and maybe affected how they dealt with the pressures and other people.

[quote Yeahthat]@CathyorClaire

You can only laugh at the irony of someone who's spent hours obsessively defending the Sussex online, apparently with a suite of links ready to support their points, telling someone else not to embarrass themselves [/quote]

Must be especially galling when said link library fails to come up with the goods

@Lurking9to5

she had ''coal miner's daughter''. Doors to manual.

Along with 'Waity Katie'

@idontWanna don't forget nude images of Kate taken without her knowledge or consent were published in French magazines. She was also slut-shamed for the see-through dress she wore at that fashion show when she was at uni. I think it's a big mistake to make sexism the story of who has it worse. Both of them have had bad press at different times. Some of it well below the belt.

I think there's been an element of a shock horror bi-racial, divorced, and an actress and American to boot woman stealing Harry and it would have been relentless and not ceasing

I think it's a blessing that she did 'steal' Harry and in the process finally allow him to show us exactly who we've been funding. There's no denying the petulant entitled manchild the Palace spin machine no longer has to hide has been a gift to republicans.